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marions ghost

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81. Ideally boys would be trained not to abuse
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 07:51 PM
Jun 2013

but that is not what is happening generally. I don't think we're going back to the age of chivalry (not that it was so great anyway) anytime soon. Social behavior will need to be re-defined for a new age. Of course I agree that self-defense training is not the ONLY strategy

I think it will take decades, if not centuries, to turn around these sexist predatory attitudes. They are deeply engrained in our society, not to mention even more oppressive cultures. One day this will be history--I'm an optimist about it and believe in fighting against any sort of abuse and exploitation directly and as hard as possible--but the fight is a long one. The reality is that we have to think self-protection at this point in time, for women who voluntarily go out with or marry men but are then abused (not talking about child abuse and pedophiles). I am talking about not being quite so vulnerable.

I have said a couple of times here, that IMO self-defense training is good for everybody. It teaches discipline and self-control, and helps with anger management. But if you were to train girls as a matter of course in basic self-defense (not talking about anything that calls for special athleticism)--it sends a very important message. It sends the message that women are not going to be easily victimized. It sends the message to the girls and to others that --"society has your back." It sends the message that girls can be strong and can set boundaries for themselves--and I mean mentally strong. This is not merely about physical self-defense.

I think many people are misunderstanding my points here. So I guess I'll just have to hang it up. I had hoped to get some supporters but maybe a lot of people don't understand the meaning of self-defense training. It's very empowering in a lot of ways, for anyone who experiences it. I would like to see more girls exposed to it at about middle school age. Statistics tell us that they will encounter
some sort of exploitation or abuse as young women. If boys can be taught to respect girls & women more, that would be great too, but women need to have strategies in case they don't. It would help the whole situation IMO.

This is as clear as I know how to be.

k and r--and waiting for the usual suspects niyad Jun 2013 #1
What typically happens in these threads... Bonobo Jun 2013 #2
as has been pointed out before, there is nothing stopping you or any of the others so niyad Jun 2013 #5
If you don't want a deflection, I invite you to lay off the snarky invitation. Bonobo Jun 2013 #7
again, nice try. as I said, YOU can post about your chosen subject. AND, you do not put words niyad Jun 2013 #8
Uh oh! You broke out the remdi95! Bonobo Jun 2013 #10
Why does it matter? BainsBane Jun 2013 #41
It takes a particular kind of person to respond to this kind of news BainsBane Jun 2013 #14
the response, of course, does not surprise any of us. goddess forfend we should discuss issues niyad Jun 2013 #17
Me either BainsBane Jun 2013 #18
no usually the title or the OP will make it about themself. hfojvt Jun 2013 #34
How awful for you to have to endure such abuse BainsBane Jun 2013 #35
or maybe some men just cannot stand for women to talk about themselves for even a mnute. niyad Jun 2013 #37
Reality = women's lives don't count BainsBane Jun 2013 #42
sure that's what I am trying to say hfojvt Jun 2013 #58
just because you spend time with the women of your family does not indicate that you care niyad Jun 2013 #59
perhaps logic 101 would tell you something different hfojvt Jun 2013 #74
as we keep pointing out, you are free to post about male victims as much as you like. the fact niyad Jun 2013 #75
am I also free to not have you boss me around hfojvt Jun 2013 #76
bossing you around? that is one of the funniest things I have heard today. pointing out that niyad Jun 2013 #79
"or maybe some men just cannot stand for women to talk about themselves for even a minute" MadrasT Jun 2013 #46
This is GD. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2013 #52
even the so-called "safe haven" groups are not safe from a certain mindset. niyad Jun 2013 #60
It's a catch-22. It IS blaming the victim, but since men aren't victims it's okay. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2013 #51
That doesn't come as a surprise to any woman. Beacool Jun 2013 #3
Truthfully one in three is a surprise to me malaise Jun 2013 #4
Truthfully, I thought it would be higher BainsBane Jun 2013 #15
I am the 35.6% bunnies Jun 2013 #6
Hope you're an ex-member of the 35.6% malaise Jun 2013 #24
Yes. I am. bunnies Jun 2013 #26
So am I BainsBane Jun 2013 #43
okay so I am reading GD and I see this thread hfojvt Jun 2013 #9
why are we not surprised? niyad Jun 2013 #19
who is this "we"? hfojvt Jun 2013 #33
Add me to the we BainsBane Jun 2013 #44
umm. that makes no sense. nt La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2013 #47
maybe you had to be there hfojvt Jun 2013 #57
Girls should get self-defense training marions ghost Jun 2013 #11
NO--girls should get self-defense, martial arts, starting in pre-school. females experience niyad Jun 2013 #12
OK let's say at least marions ghost Jun 2013 #20
Boys and men should get training to not treat women and girls like that. n/t Whisp Jun 2013 #16
that, too. niyad Jun 2013 #21
When everything in society tells boys it's OK marions ghost Jun 2013 #25
That does nothing to end it. redqueen Jun 2013 #22
It is a primary line of defense marions ghost Jun 2013 #27
Fine. But shouldn't BOYS get training early on NOT to do the abuse in the first place? CTyankee Jun 2013 #80
Ideally boys would be trained not to abuse marions ghost Jun 2013 #81
I'm not against strategies for self defense of anyone, but it seems to me that the offenders should CTyankee Jun 2013 #82
I don't see it as either/or marions ghost Jun 2013 #90
85% of them at the hands of a partner BainsBane Jun 2013 #13
I would be curious to know what that figure is for men. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2013 #23
A percentage is not easy to come by... bunnies Jun 2013 #28
I'm curious about that too. bemildred Jun 2013 #30
Historically and today the answer is the same Major Nikon Jun 2013 #49
That's what I thought. bemildred Jun 2013 #53
Can't you taste the privilege? Nt galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #61
Oh I can see male privilege, it's quite real, I'm pointing out it can get pretty expensive too. nt bemildred Jun 2013 #64
And chickens lay eggs BainsBane Jun 2013 #93
Do you not like the answer I gave? Major Nikon Jun 2013 #94
Read the report BainsBane Jun 2013 #86
I wasn't that curious. nt bemildred Jun 2013 #87
I didn't think so BainsBane Jun 2013 #88
Quite. nt bemildred Jun 2013 #89
you could look it up, if you are, indeed, that curious. niyad Jun 2013 #38
Reading is too much work BainsBane Jun 2013 #91
Most men experience violence outside BainsBane Jun 2013 #48
a) you're talking to me. Not "you all". lumberjack_jeff Jun 2013 #50
Silence enables abuse BainsBane Jun 2013 #54
Yes it does. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2013 #56
read the report BainsBane Jun 2013 #65
"And with that, she flung herself from the room..." lumberjack_jeff Jun 2013 #72
Ludicrous assumption BainsBane Jun 2013 #73
And with this galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #62
I'm not talking to you BainsBane Jun 2013 #66
clearly, because i deal in logic, and that statement was borderline galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #68
Borderline? BainsBane Jun 2013 #69
I was referring to Cluster 2 BPD. That statement, and some others, but that one galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #78
Your efforts to stigmatize the mentally ill are repulsive BainsBane Jun 2013 #83
That's not really what your first response said. :( galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #92
I have to agree malaise Jun 2013 #67
Of course the OP is about women... out of necessity. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2013 #71
Again, your refusal to read is astounding BainsBane Jun 2013 #84
I think it's probably higher Marrah_G Jun 2013 #29
Yeah, I find that pretty low. nt bemildred Jun 2013 #31
Much higher if you include threats. Hatchling Jun 2013 #55
It would be interesting to see what percentage of men abuse 35.6% of women lunatica Jun 2013 #32
85% of those women are abused by their partners BainsBane Jun 2013 #36
I was suggesting that the study may not be as comprehensive as it could be lunatica Jun 2013 #39
No, they give a regional breakdown BainsBane Jun 2013 #40
Given the absolutely astounding "blame the victim" liberalhistorian Jun 2013 #45
oh my ******* god--I missed that one. I would say I am going to be ill, but, sadly, the mindset niyad Jun 2013 #63
Beg your pardon? Cerridwen Jun 2013 #70
WTF are you babbling about? liberalhistorian Jun 2013 #77
Apparently BainsBane Jun 2013 #85
I know, pretty sad and liberalhistorian Jun 2013 #95
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