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Zorra

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72. That's a given. They would have pleaded with King George to save them from those wascally webels

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 10:47 AM

Jun 2013

Jefferson, Madison, Franklin, Washington, and the rest of the crew, and moved to Canada in despair after the wascally webel lawbreakers won our Independence from England.

"Filthy lawbreakers and miscreants, the lot of them was, guvnuh. Traitors to the bloody crown. Hang 'em all I says."

The calculated de-emphasis on teaching history and literature in schools since Reagan appointed Bill Bennett Secretary of Education has been an astounding success for the authoritarian RW agenda.

Many Childs Left Behind is working.

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Are you glad that John Brown was hanged? [View all] MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 OP

Blast from the past: when Republicans wanted to end slavery leftstreet Jun 2013 #1

I fear that in the 1859 version of DU, many MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #2

Never happened Bro, never happened. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #3

LOL back at you! nm MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #9

DU 1859, all the threads would be about ladies ankles leftstreet Jun 2013 #5

Spot on! Many Americans would consider Brown a 'terrorist' and probably HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #44

That's a given. They would have pleaded with King George to save them from those wascally webels Zorra Jun 2013 #72

I think it was pretty well known ... socialist_n_TN Jun 2013 #86

I was in high school after Reagan, JoeyT Jun 2013 #107

The Revolution was basically a story of the British not being able to win MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #112

Of course not. But now Snowden is John Brown? Yikes. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #4

Snowden never killed anyone. All he did was show Uber-Double-Secret Powerpoint slides... backscatter712 Jun 2013 #8

But The Poster Has Told Me She Is All About Human Rights HangOnKids Jun 2013 #20

He killed a black baggage handler and two slaves in that raid. cali Jun 2013 #24

He had to kill the slaves in order to save them.... Uncle Joe Jun 2013 #95

And Snowden's raison d'etre wasn't to free millions from bondage DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2013 #62

Freeing millions of people from government surveillance is a worthy cause. n/t backscatter712 Jun 2013 #91

I agree DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2013 #94

Why shouldn't Brown have been hanged? - nt HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #46

No, but John Brown was not the squeaky-clean hero that some have made him out to be. NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #6

John brown is one of my personal heroes. bravenak Jun 2013 #7

I'm tearing up as I write. I would like to think that, had HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #47

Long live the Confederacy!! Arctic Dave Jun 2013 #10

They should be grateful they were forcibly converted to Christianity! n/t backscatter712 Jun 2013 #12

Without the sarcasm emoticon, one would be entitled to believe HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #48

No. I'm opposed to capital punishment. MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #11

I most certainly do not cheer capital punishment Cirque du So-What Jun 2013 #13

James McPherson has noted the irony that, had Richmond fallen to HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #73

The moral authority, political strength and resolve of abolitionists tabasco Jun 2013 #118

Oh, I whole-heartedly agree with you. The point is that Lincoln did HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #120

What he did was ILLEGAL, Manny kenny blankenship Jun 2013 #14

Not to mention that the attempt to recruit slaves into the rebellion... backscatter712 Jun 2013 #15

Man that is brutal, worthy of Jonathan Swift. I think some on DU are HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #50

I thought we established "an unjust law is no law at all." DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2013 #64

Thank you for one of your more simplistic posts. My ancestors were here in the 1850's and had been madinmaryland Jun 2013 #16

EPIC FAIL! Manny has illuminated the distinctionb between 'legal' and HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #51

+1 L0oniX Jun 2013 #108

+1 Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #70

The story thus far, kiddies ... Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #17

I'm firmly on the other side of YOU from this and I think the OP was dumb cali Jun 2013 #23

And a lot of "what is in the spotlight' Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #26

wow, it's sad to see such a narrow blinded way of cali Jun 2013 #28

+ billions n/t L0oniX Jun 2013 #111

If you want to counter-market, you could photoshop a picture of Snowden HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #52

LOL L0oniX Jun 2013 #110

Bwaahaahaa....analogy challenged much? Zorra Jun 2013 #61

+1 L0oniX Jun 2013 #109

Seems that way...eom Kolesar Jun 2013 #127

How strange that Brown was hanged for treason after his attack on a Federal arsenal but that struggle4progress Jun 2013 #18

Allot of interesting characters involved. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #19

IIRC Booth joined the militia guarding Brown's execution just to be present at the hanging struggle4progress Jun 2013 #80

right. Not part of the militia initially responding. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #84

Robert E. Lee's reputation has come under some much-deserved critical scrutiny in, HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #53

I imagine for several reasons. Uncle Joe Jun 2013 #98

I think you and I are breaking on different sides of this debate, but I still HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #122

Wow that post takes balls Maximumnegro Jun 2013 #21

Can you be more specific? MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #113

So a freed black baggage master was a pro-slaver? how interesting. cali Jun 2013 #22

as it happens hfojvt Jun 2013 #25

No, I wish all the slaves had rose up and slaughtered all of the massas, including the slave islands Sunlei Jun 2013 #27

I wish what had happened in South Africa with the end of apartheid had HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #55

Posts 27 and 55 ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #106

Post 55 (my post) was most definitely not 'cheering revenge'. On the contrary, in HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #125

I apologize ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #129

No apology necessary. Manny's thead here helps explain why I HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #130

After the war, every politician, military leader, plantation owner, and SB minister Dawson Leery Jun 2013 #134

Itching for civil war? GeorgeGist Jun 2013 #29

John Brown was a megalomaniac who got many people killed for no reason & did nothing to end slavey. baldguy Jun 2013 #30

agreed. cali Jun 2013 #31

That was becasue he had poor tactics but his heart was in the right place YeahSureRight Jun 2013 #33

And the road to Hell is paved with good intentions. baldguy Jun 2013 #37

So I looked that up, and one writer calls him that (Ken Chowder). Demit Jun 2013 #90

Oy vey. I guess you disagree with Frederick Douglass then. Douglass wrote HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #58

Pointing out that he was nothing but an ineffectual terrorist ***DOES NOT MEAN I SUPPORT SLAVERY!*** baldguy Jun 2013 #63

But you would have supported Brown's hanging (the OP's question). More HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #65

So I can say you support Ron Paul and his RW libertarian jihad then, right? baldguy Jun 2013 #66

Answer the OP's question, please. Do you support ('are you glad . . . ?') Brown's execution? No HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #68

I'll be needing a lot more coffee MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #88

Jury results on this post.... Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #74

Before the raid on Harpers Ferry, Frederick Douglass thought Brown's plan was a mistake Martin Eden Jun 2013 #136

That's very interesting. I knew of Douglass' disapproval of the plan and HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #137

Hell no I would have been part of the armed rebellion and my activites would have continued YeahSureRight Jun 2013 #32

I vacillated between crying 'Bravo!' and alerting on you for HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #59

John Brown was a murdering religious nut. Progressive dog Jun 2013 #34

And what he did in Kansas "deserves" the death penalty more than Harper's Ferry Recursion Jun 2013 #42

Shall we re-open the question of 'Bleeding Kansas'? If so, we must not fail to HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #103

John Brown was a terrorist NoGOPZone Jun 2013 #35

Slavery had real, identifiable, inhumanely exploited victims. moondust Jun 2013 #36

The nearest parallel to John Brown would be anti-abortionists who burn clinics and kill doctors. FarCenter Jun 2013 #38

You conveniently ignore the fact that John Brown was equally villified and demonized by the HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #121

I'm against the death penalty. No exceptions. Iggo Jun 2013 #39

This is a fascinating question Recursion Jun 2013 #40

I think it boils down to Utilitarianism vs. deontologism in ethics. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #41

Good point, though I see some early Bakunism in his career, too Recursion Jun 2013 #45

Interesting points. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #49

I wish I could recommend this OP and your question to Infinity and beyond! Using today's HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #43

that's just like Snowden! arely staircase Jun 2013 #54

Brown's bravery in the face of execution sent a very strong message to the South BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #56

Not only that, but Brown's raid scared the shit out of the slavers. They began organizing HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #67

But, we would have missed Ronald Reagan and Erol Flynn in their most stirring roles: JEB Stuart & leveymg Jun 2013 #57

Was Custer part of the unit that captured Brown and re-took Harper's Ferry? - nt HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #69

I'm not sure but Lee definitely was DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2013 #78

I would have been conflicted DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2013 #60

Your weakest ever, Manny. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #71

Rather than answer the question, attack the one who asked it, Centrist Theory 101 Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #75

Oh, bullshit. I didn't attack him at all. I commented on the content only. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #77

If this was Manny's 'weakest,' I'd be trembling in awe HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #76

I guess we disagree? I'm not sure. Regardless, I voiced my opinion, and it hasn't changed. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #79

I think Manny has posed the seminal question: to wit, there HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #81

I got Manny's point just fine. It was how he framed his question that was ridiculous. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #83

Buchanan was a Democratic president. rug Jun 2013 #82

Hah! Good one! (Pre-FDR, though!) - nt HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #85

Back then, the Democrats were the reactionary douchebags... backscatter712 Jun 2013 #92

In our society, civilians don't try to change things through armed conflict brooklynite Jun 2013 #87

So, as per the OP question, are you glad that John Brown was hanged? Zorra Jun 2013 #93

"Glad" isn't the question... brooklynite Jun 2013 #96

Actually, I believe that maybe "glad" is the question, if I read Manny correctly. Zorra Jun 2013 #124

I believe that the death penalty is wrong. But if someone organised an armed attack on a death row, Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #89

Your response has hoist me with my own petard and HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #97

What if a state made abortion punishable by the death penalty MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #114

No, I would not. Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #116

So we're largely in agreement MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #126

Yes, and it was a good idea to think of using John Brown as an example (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #128

In your hypothetical, would the president fail to send in the 82nd or 101st Airborne HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #119

Can you imagine any President in the last 30 or so years MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #123

I'd like to think Carter, Clinton and Obama would squish vermin HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #133

Not a normal president, absolutely. But I wouldn't put it past a Huckabee or a Palin (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #131

One's mind reooils at the possibility that either of them would ever get within HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #132

The Martyrdom of John Brown did more for his cause than anything else he could have done. Martin Eden Jun 2013 #99

Allow me to put a finer point on it then. Do you support (or would you have supported) HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #100

I oppose the death penalty. Martin Eden Jun 2013 #115

Well put and argued. In this debate, I see and hear strands of the debate extending HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #117

No, triggered a national catastrophe... Deep13 Jun 2013 #101

He should of been allowed to live and to see the end of that evil institution. Nika Jun 2013 #102

most revolutionaries are breaking the law when they revolt Doctor_J Jun 2013 #104

I have to admit that in many years of living I have never given it a thought tularetom Jun 2013 #105

I oppose the death penalty but would support his punishment. KittyWampus Jun 2013 #135