Multiple states have now passed laws that WILL kill women.

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11. Blanche, thanks for this thread. I have been working on one and don't usually post. Women's issues

sink like a stone here unless it's presented like some adrenaline pumping sports production, as if people want to see a riot.

This dehumanization is carried out out of sight of the public, like child porn and rape, and something many don't give a flying fuck about.

The war on women is 'Pfft! Wait, look, who can get a happy for crapping on today?' to many.

I had an interesting talk last night, it went on about five hours until after midnight. My friend is a Christian, but not a fundie at all. She was outraged about it when I showed her what has been going on, posted here at DU.

She'd been getting some kind of propaganda about abortion, as story of a women's testimony being presented at church, who was the survivor of a late term abortion that killed her male sibling. These are the horror stories that they use to fire people up. We discussed that the pregnancy should not have gone on that long and that it as terrifying.

Then I told what I learned of the myths many believe about the morning after pill. As revealed this year and admitted by some politicans, it is not an abortifacent when it is used as intended, since 'conception' has not yet occured.

The idea that conception occurs during the act of intercourse is false. Those little guys can swim fast, but it ain't that way.

She'd also been fed a line about what the sonagram law was. I told her how it was not allowed in VA, as being 'obect rape.' She didn't get it, said she knew what a sonagram was and it was common. I showed her the pictures I've posted here so many times, because I want people who are so bland about this to get the idea. It's not necessary, it's painful and being done to intimidate and humiliate women.

I went into the 'rape kit' nonsense and the fact that this is a war on the poor and middle class women. My friend is really big on the issue of the poor, abuse in the home, all of those things.

She got the point of what is being done right away, after she saw the stories and I brought up my idea. Which is Pro-life folks are worshippers of the flesh in the most direct terms, they demand that their version of biology should determine the entire life of a person.

That their employment solution is to remove half the population out of the workforce to give men the jobs they do. No need for education or childcare. No contraception, as a life of child bearing and rearing give meaning to their position outside the public realm.

Why vote, why drive? Just as Saudi Arabia has been, stay at home, or else. And thus no divorce let the man bring in the money, and if mentally and or physically abused, even to death, fine. I told her it sounds like what RWers say is why they don't want an Islamic state. Just giving it another name doesn't change the mind numbing effect of half the population kept without any rights.

'Her first response was that this is a war on men, too, they want to define their roles, they can't do anything but go to work and war.'

Her second was 'They want us to have nothing above our necks, denying our spiritiual nature and what God gave us to use!'

Anyway, she really had to go home and get ready for work today, so although we discussed more, we had to stop there.