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PufPuf23

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110. Important thread.

Thu Jul 4, 2013, 08:43 PM

Jul 2013

I feel ill over what has occurred regards to Morales and Snowden and the reaction of the "Good -Democratic- Americans" at DU.

Recall the international support back when POTUS received the Nobel Peace prize, look at now (and we know things would be worse with more war and loss of credibility under the GOP) ?

But look at the loss of international credibility regardless.

My intuition is not anti-Obama. POTUS Obama is a small cog / large icon.

The Golden Rule: Do unto others as you wish they do unto you.

But also those who have the gold, make the rules.

Anti-imperialism and neo-liberalism.

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If you speak Spanish, Evo Morales is speaking right now [View all] Catherina Jul 2013 OP

And even if you don't, he's still speaking! oberliner Jul 2013 #1

Beat me to it.. n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2013 #2

Yes, but if you don't speak Spanish.... A HERETIC I AM Jul 2013 #27

Would you like someone to translate for you? Or are you just not interested in which case thanks sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #159

Yep like waitresses saying "My name's Jane if you need anything." treestar Jul 2013 #76

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #99

Huh? oberliner Jul 2013 #103

I thought your post was cute and very funny lol Catherina Jul 2013 #116

I'm glad! oberliner Jul 2013 #119

Tinpot little creep? zeemike Jul 2013 #111

Plonk n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #115

I wonder if he'll answer the numerous questions raised in this article: Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #3

That News Story Has Already Been Debunked - Appears To Be PsyOp Backpedaling cantbeserious Jul 2013 #6

I find it fasinating that Morales is going ahead with this when flamingdem Jul 2013 #28

So far no facts. Just saying that the Europeans are cowardly flamingdem Jul 2013 #20

Fact Is - The Plane Of A Head Of State Was Diverted Over Europe - Despite US Denials And Backpedaling cantbeserious Jul 2013 #33

The only instance that wasn't justified is France flamingdem Jul 2013 #41

They have a cockpit recorder. JimDandy Jul 2013 #58

Why don't they share that info? The Austria landing recording revealed nothing nt flamingdem Jul 2013 #61

That is an interesting question I have asked myself. JimDandy Jul 2013 #71

That's so true. I guess all will be revealed in a trial sure to be held flamingdem Jul 2013 #73

Too bad for the Imperialists who were busy in the ME doing what they had done in Latin America sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #161

Listening. Cleita Jul 2013 #4

Times like these, I wish I knew more than the bad words in Spanish. n/t magellan Jul 2013 #5

Right now saying that Latin American resources do not belong to the US Catherina Jul 2013 #7

He's right about that flamingdem Jul 2013 #101

I think he just closed the US embassy in Bolivia. Threw them out. Catherina Jul 2013 #8

"we do not need a US Embassy in #Bolivia!" n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #13

Wow! magellan Jul 2013 #21

"Bolivia's leader threatens to close US embassy" Catherina Jul 2013 #151

Michael Moore via twitter... Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #9

I wish he would. I wish someone would. Maduro has a better jet, with a longer range Catherina Jul 2013 #104

He's really giving it to the European nations who are cowering under the thumb of the USA. n/t Cleita Jul 2013 #10

They are also cowering with FATCA riverbendviewgal Jul 2013 #117

Catherina, you are doing an awesome job keeping everyone informed and I appreciate it a lot! Poll_Blind Jul 2013 #11

Agreed! nt laundry_queen Jul 2013 #14

+1! magellan Jul 2013 #23

+1 nm MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #77

Great stuff! East Coast Pirate Jul 2013 #88

Yes she is. zeemike Jul 2013 #112

+ a gazillion. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #128

indeed!!! keep it up!! Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #146

The only parts I can understand railsback Jul 2013 #12

UNASUR is going to seriously discuss the issue of sovereignty. To help liberate not just Latin Amer Catherina Jul 2013 #15

He went down the list of Presidents who called him to offer their support. n/t Cleita Jul 2013 #17

My hand would not shake if and when I close the U.S. Embassy. We're better off without the U.S. Catherina Jul 2013 #16

Ah. That clarifies things. n/t magellan Jul 2013 #24

"we are better off socially and economically without the USA." Compares treatment from China and Rus Catherina Jul 2013 #18

Our fight for the people goes further than just Latin America Catherina Jul 2013 #19

that is awesome!! lunasun Jul 2013 #160

Anti imperialist, anti-capitalist CONSCIENCE from the shit they put us through Catherina Jul 2013 #22

Giving shit to the European countries for being under the thumb of the US Catherina Jul 2013 #25

Thanks so much for your help. n/t Judi Lynn Jul 2013 #94

Thanks for this... @jaraparilla providing translations also on twitter. Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #26

Thanks for this link as well think Jul 2013 #30

This has been debunked, the Austrians didn't even know why they landed flamingdem Jul 2013 #31

What does not knowing why they landed have to do with boarding and searching the plane? Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #34

They did not search the plane. They did a routine passport check flamingdem Jul 2013 #36

I know that. The Spanish Ambassador wanted to inspect the plane. Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #40

When did that happen? Link? nt flamingdem Jul 2013 #43

Here. Cleita Jul 2013 #47

First link that came up... Democracyinkind Jul 2013 #51

This has been debunked flamingdem Jul 2013 #52

In the versions I saw, talk is of an attempt, not that it actually toolk place. nt Democracyinkind Jul 2013 #54

If you haven't figured it out by now Morales is using the confusion to push his own agenda flamingdem Jul 2013 #57

As IMO your debunking of this and the Democracyinkind Jul 2013 #66

But...someone tweeted something about the CIA so... randome Jul 2013 #70

So, Emo Morales was lying?? Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #147

This disinformation? flamingdem Jul 2013 #48

Is this part disinformation? magellan Jul 2013 #64

Reporters and the Bolivians were saying at the time they were waiting until 9am flamingdem Jul 2013 #68

I hadn't seen anything about the Spanish ambassador physically being there magellan Jul 2013 #72

My impression is that there is a Spanish embassy in Austria Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #156

Where do you have him saying it? That is where the lie is flamingdem Jul 2013 #157

I don't understand what you are asking? Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #158

I think we are witnessing history. Cleita Jul 2013 #29

I agree. Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #38

I think so too. It was already building up. This really tipped the scales n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #46

Newspaper tweet: European Minister told Maduro that CIA gave order to stop Morales' plane Catherina Jul 2013 #32

That's so bogus Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #35

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #122

Oh shit. dkf Jul 2013 #49

Here's the tweet Catherina Jul 2013 #55

Without a name it is pretty meaningless flamingdem Jul 2013 #81

I disagree. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #130

It states the order was sent to control towers, so that will be recorded and can be proven flamingdem Jul 2013 #87

Maduro: According to a European Minister, the CIA gave the orders Catherina Jul 2013 #152

Maduro: the CIA has more control and power over Europe than their own governments Catherina Jul 2013 #56

Argentine President Kirchner to speak next... soon n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #37

Music at the end brought tears to my eyes. Cleita Jul 2013 #39

History of captured tweets from link Luminous Animal gave (thanks) Catherina Jul 2013 #42

Anyone have a link for this? #Morales says Spanish Ambassador arrived by surprise in Austria flamingdem Jul 2013 #89

Here is one Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #132

Also he was surrounded by press Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #144

Kirchner says "we are all protagonists in this Latin America." Recalls those who have died for freed Catherina Jul 2013 #44

Kirchner says there are international agreements in place. That this was a violation Catherina Jul 2013 #45

Sigh. This is so bad. dkf Jul 2013 #53

Be sincere. You aren't terribly concerned flamingdem Jul 2013 #59

It's hitting me in the stomach...sinking feeling. dkf Jul 2013 #67

we know that you don't give a shit frylock Jul 2013 #75

how's your 4th of July going amigo? flamingdem Jul 2013 #78

the woodchuck isn't near as delicious as that crow you'll soon be enjoying frylock Jul 2013 #83

half way decent response flamingdem Jul 2013 #91

Yes. They_Live Jul 2013 #113

smh magellan Jul 2013 #84

i'll give you one thing. it's weird that dfk has suddenly emerged as such a civil libertarian over HiPointDem Jul 2013 #90

Yes, verry interesting thing that flamingdem Jul 2013 #93

and i am. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #95

Bad, stupid, suicidal. Catherina Jul 2013 #62

Nobody escaped the demands to do our bidding. It's not contempt for Latin America but EVERYONE! dkf Jul 2013 #96

It's so depressing n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #98

Kirchner says they've been looted and exploited for over 500 years Catherina Jul 2013 #50

Year 501: The Conquest Continues by Noam Chomsky Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #60

Thank you. Bookmarked to definitely read and also "Open veins of latin America" Catherina Jul 2013 #69

He'll never know how badly he needs to read that book. Judi Lynn Jul 2013 #123

+1 lunasun Jul 2013 #162

More Kirchner: "surviving Washington's 20th-century history of backing repressive regimes in LatAm" Catherina Jul 2013 #166

April 2013: Evo Morales responds to John Kerry: Never Again Will We Be Your Backyard Catherina Jul 2013 #63

THANKS Catherina..you are an amazing being keeping us up to date xiamiam Jul 2013 #65

I'll look for more on that. It was pretty obvious that this came from the US Catherina Jul 2013 #82

Catherina does an amazing job! kentuck Jul 2013 #86

Thanks Kentuck! Catherina Jul 2013 #92

Very admirable. kentuck Jul 2013 #154

Wondering how this will proceed over the next few days.... silvershadow Jul 2013 #74

If they shutter the US Embassy I'll take this more seriously flamingdem Jul 2013 #79

And what agenda is that? Cleita Jul 2013 #102

He said it in the speech - mount hugest march in Bolivian history to change constitution flamingdem Jul 2013 #109

The US obsession with the Middle East has let Latin American get loose starroute Jul 2013 #80

Heck, they're building an alternative to the Panama Canal with Chinese companies Catherina Jul 2013 #85

They sure are. East Coast Pirate Jul 2013 #105

We'll all be gone when Latin America is under China's thumb flamingdem Jul 2013 #107

This message was self-deleted by its author Catherina Jul 2013 #97

So far nothing in the English news except on RT "‘We don’t need US Embassy in Bolivia’..." Catherina Jul 2013 #100

I don't care what language anybody speaks Turbineguy Jul 2013 #106

Ha! They were smart enough to stay away from Snowden rhetoric flamingdem Jul 2013 #108

Important thread. PufPuf23 Jul 2013 #110

Evo Morales speaking again Catherina Jul 2013 #114

Kirchner speaking now that this affront is to all of them Catherina Jul 2013 #118

Kirchner now blasting the intelligence services that passed on such false information Catherina Jul 2013 #120

Jose Mujica: Political terrorism Catherina Jul 2013 #121

President Dési Bouterse of Suriname speaking now Catherina Jul 2013 #124

President Correa (Ecuador) speaking now Catherina Jul 2013 #125

Thanks very much for covering this here. I appreciate it. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #126

You're welcome. I have all of them on ignore. It's not not only embarrassing, it's dangerous Catherina Jul 2013 #140

Yes and their attempts to manage so many conversations on the board Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #145

I fully believe that is their whole intention. n/t Judi Lynn Jul 2013 #153

Morales had every right to give Snowden asylum and put him on his plane (Correa) Catherina Jul 2013 #127

President Maduro (Venezuela) is speaking now Catherina Jul 2013 #129

No doubt about Correa's point. Can't imagine what they would NOT do in Bolivia's shoes! n/t Judi Lynn Jul 2013 #138

In this unipolar world some think they're the owners of this world Catherina Jul 2013 #131

Brazil speaking. Total indignation at what happened to President Morales !!!! Catherina Jul 2013 #133

Thanks for Brazil's comments. n/t Judi Lynn Jul 2013 #139

Brazil's statement was amazing! I'm going to look for them. Catherina Jul 2013 #142

We are lucky you got as much as you did for us. Amazing. Judi Lynn Jul 2013 #149

Wow! woo me with science Jul 2013 #148

Colombia statement expressing indignation over this and giving its solidarity to Bolivia Catherina Jul 2013 #134

The govt of Chile statement being read. Fully reject what happened Catherina Jul 2013 #135

Peru Pres Humala message. Full rejection fraternal solidarity against this insolent inadmissible act Catherina Jul 2013 #136

(Nicaragua?) now wrapping up for all Catherina Jul 2013 #137

The transmission ended with this (Chavez Will Live On In The People, Chavez Will Never Die) Catherina Jul 2013 #141

My god, don't know how you did all that so quickly, so well. All those countries! Judi Lynn Jul 2013 #143

K&R woo me with science Jul 2013 #150

Extradition papers for Snowden were also delivered to Venezuela Catherina Jul 2013 #155

Catherina i just wanted to thank you again. I got so tired of refuting these as***** that i stopped Drew Richards Jul 2013 #164

Put them on ignore. They are not worth your time or your energy Catherina Jul 2013 #165

Could be the final stake into the heart of the Monroe Doctrine. roamer65 Jul 2013 #163

Latin American leaders, on first-name basis, unite against critics East Coast Pirate Jul 2013 #167