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PufPuf23

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20. Sort of OT but about Stanton and Lincoln
Sun Jul 7, 2013, 04:32 PM
Jul 2013

Philip K Dick wrote a novel, "We Can Build You", published in 1972 about a simulacra of Stanton and Lincoln. The book is back in print published by Vintage.

from wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_Can_Build_You

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"We Can Build You is set in the then-future year of 1982. It centers on Louis Rosen, a small businessman whose company produces spinets and electronic organs. Rosen's partner wants to begin production of simulacra, or androids, based on famous Civil War figures. The firm completes two prototypes, one of Edwin M. Stanton and one of Abraham Lincoln. Rosen then attempts to sell the robot patents to Sam K. Barrows, an influential businessman who is opening up lunar real estate for purchase and colonization. Unfortunately, while the Stanton simulacrum proves able to adapt to contemporary U.S. society, the Lincoln simulacrum proves unable to do so, possibly due to the fact that the original experienced schizophrenia. At the same time, Louis begins a relationship with Pris Frauenzimmer, the schizophrenic daughter of his business partner, who has designed both simulacra. This becomes an obsession and Louis himself begins to hallucinate about Pris."

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My recollections of last read:

The Stanton (first product) and Lincoln androids are so real as to go out in public and have incongruent and independent minds of their own. Lincoln is depressive and unwilling to be on any message for an agenda. Stanton is aggressive and goes off the reservation to work with the "real" competitor.

From Vintage book jacket:

"Louis Rosen and his partners used to sell spinets. Now they are selling people -- or, to be more precise, ingeniously designed, historically authentic simulacra of Edwin M Stanton and Abraham Lincoln ......... And there's the added complication that someone -- or something -- like Abraham Lincoln may not want to be sold."

"Is an electronic Abraham Lincoln any less alive than his creators? Is a machine that cares and suffers inferior to the woman Louis love --a borderline psychopath that does neither?

My note: That the Stanton simulacra who bullies and is a traitor dominates the Lincoln simulacra before getting into the human emotion and Mars-Earth corporate colonization parts of the tale.

Not a shill, just a PKD reader since my teens in the 60s SF area. The book as aged well and is structured as relatively linear and finished story.

Lincoln was fighting a real war against a nation-like entity. More Americans died in the Civil War byeya Jul 2013 #1
historians mostly agree nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #2
I'm not justifying, just showing the hazards of hero worship. alfredo Jul 2013 #9
Good point nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #11
That's OK. This is a tough issue. alfredo Jul 2013 #12
Who built Obama up as a Messiah? oberliner Jul 2013 #22
Maybe Messaih is too strong a word. We wrote our desires on alfredo Jul 2013 #23
I don't think Obama is the Messiah, or the Anti-Christ, or King of the World. Zen Democrat Jul 2013 #28
I think he's been a good president. I also realize he is a human and politician. alfredo Jul 2013 #29
No they don't agree Progressive dog Jul 2013 #14
The entire country was a war zone pscot Jul 2013 #3
+ + byeya Jul 2013 #4
But was it right? Savannahmann Jul 2013 #5
It's always "right" when we win. alfredo Jul 2013 #10
Sadly, Lincoln like the WiFi connection at the theater. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #6
What was "vast" for those times would be small by today's standard. Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #7
The telegraph was the only game in town for high speed communication. alfredo Jul 2013 #17
Yeah, I got that. Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #19
True, but anyone with access, used them. alfredo Jul 2013 #24
But he was a stinking Republican MNBrewer Jul 2013 #8
I remember Obama being called an "Eisenhower Republican." alfredo Jul 2013 #13
I think he alluded to himself as that although he may not have mentioned Eisenhower's name. byeya Jul 2013 #15
But the south had no interest in peace. If they couldn't spread slavery into the territories alfredo Jul 2013 #16
You are completely correct. I only mentioned the Copperheads, some of whom were pacifists, to byeya Jul 2013 #18
"Black Republicans" IDemo Jul 2013 #21
I am in the first quarter of "Team of Rivals" by Goodwin alfredo Jul 2013 #27
It was a political writer that said it, but I can't remember who it was. alfredo Jul 2013 #25
Sort of OT but about Stanton and Lincoln PufPuf23 Jul 2013 #20
I might have to look for it. alfredo Jul 2013 #26
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