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DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
30. Many people are comfortable "knowing" things their friends tell them.
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 01:53 PM
Jul 2013

If we could do anything to improve the state of our democracy, convincing people to think critically and make qualitative distinctions about things would be the place to start.

I have heard the following insane suggestions from people I know "in real life," whom I do not otherwise consider to be "crazy" or even rightwing recently:

- Obama has been "crafty" about his birth certificate.

Nice conflation of anti-Semitic code and racially tinged anti-Obama rhetoric, from someone who would swear to have no racist or anti-Semitic, or even rightwing leanings. And even after the endless debunkings and re-debunkings. "Ehh, I just think maybe ..."

- Global warming / climate change is nonsense, because scientists lack objectivity, because something about peer pressure.

Again, from a person not otherwise known to be irrational. A professional I have worked with. Impervious to suggestions the pushback emanates from sources who might stand to lose money if emissions are further regulated.

- Trayvon Martin was carrying Skittles and Tea because there is some way to make some kind of drug out of those ingredients.

Again, a person who would strenuously object to any suggestion of racism on their part. I did get them to give up and move on by just calling "internet bullshit," but ... wow?


My point is that while we dismiss all the "crazy talk on the Internets," and dismiss those saying ridiculous things as idiots or "knuckle-draggers" or rightwingers, many people who are not all out nutjobs or paid trolls simply do not distinguish between rational thought and things their friends have said to them, or that they have read randomly somewhere.

Several of the people above were older folks. Maybe that's part of it. They somehow don't expect motivated LYING and distortion to be presented to them by people they know, or from sources that look like "news" on the Internet or television.

Ask them where they got this thinking, and they sort of shake their heads, as if you asked them where the sky came from. "I heard it, so it could be true."

You can argue, and I do, sometimes, even with "real" people I actually know. But it's a dicey proposition. It's very insulting to suggest to someone you know they have been influenced by racist tripe or paid propaganda. They'd rather be angry with you than face that possibility. It is shocking to someone who is coming from a circle of friends who pass certain "items of information" around to be told they are trading in absolute falsehoods.

If you know the person, and still want to try to straighten them out a bit, there's always polite incredulity.

"Really, that sounds almost too strange to be true. What is the source of that? You know, people make up a lot of crazy things these days."

Good luck.

They are talking B.S. elleng Jul 2013 #1
I know it's BS xmas74 Jul 2013 #3
Then tell them that you DID jazzimov Jul 2013 #7
I can't find anything that they would even remotely turn into that. xmas74 Jul 2013 #10
Really? silverweb Jul 2013 #2
The only thing I can even think about is making threats. xmas74 Jul 2013 #4
If that's the case, all of the the republican nut cases would be in "detention." Don't let then demosincebirth Jul 2013 #5
The point is, I know it's bull. xmas74 Jul 2013 #6
the source is, probably, some shithead at you job tossing shit at the wall and hopiing some sticks demosincebirth Jul 2013 #8
They're all pretty upset that the president will be in town on Wednesday xmas74 Jul 2013 #9
That sounds like all you really need to do is to truedelphi Jul 2013 #11
I wish I could xmas74 Jul 2013 #19
Maybe they are remembering the world under Bush: denverbill Jul 2013 #15
That's an interesting point to make xmas74 Jul 2013 #21
What possible source? Any number of right wing sites. yardwork Jul 2013 #14
Too close quarters. xmas74 Jul 2013 #44
That's an abusive working environment. yardwork Jul 2013 #50
I'm happy to be there xmas74 Jul 2013 #56
I see what you mean. yardwork Jul 2013 #59
Why counter this? Just tell 'em, from now on, they'd better WATCH THEIR WORDS . . . Journeyman Jul 2013 #12
AHHH! a perfect answer! TexasProgresive Jul 2013 #13
They seem to think that the president is coming to town xmas74 Jul 2013 #18
Reasonable people can't communicate with these whackadoodles, so why try? . . . Journeyman Jul 2013 #22
I wish but one of them is a supervisor xmas74 Jul 2013 #24
I was in a somewhat similar situation and got my answer from a Fortune Cookie. . . Journeyman Jul 2013 #32
It's just a factory with very close quarters, xmas74 Jul 2013 #43
Thursday should be fun for you. mercuryblues Jul 2013 #31
They were already making plans to attend the McCaskill meeting on Thursday xmas74 Jul 2013 #42
Wrong country. Igel Jul 2013 #16
It's just plain dumb xmas74 Jul 2013 #17
Sounds like an ignorant distortion of the law against THREATENING DirkGently Jul 2013 #20
That's the only one I could think of xmas74 Jul 2013 #23
Many people are comfortable "knowing" things their friends tell them. DirkGently Jul 2013 #30
We work in a closed in area xmas74 Jul 2013 #41
They are bearing false witness.. hit them with that Motown_Johnny Jul 2013 #25
FEMA CAMPS!!! JaneyVee Jul 2013 #26
That might be the best answer xmas74 Jul 2013 #40
Well, look at what they've done. Jackpine Radical Jul 2013 #27
That's what I'm dealing with xmas74 Jul 2013 #39
Ask them if they think Rush & Co. are broadcasting from prison. Jackpine Radical Jul 2013 #53
That's funny xmas74 Jul 2013 #58
Bullshit- unless you work with military officers Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #28
I actually do work with a few officers but not on a regular basis. xmas74 Jul 2013 #35
No such "law" exists. Tell them to put up (cite source, provide link) or shut up. kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #29
You know it doesn't and I know it doesn't xmas74 Jul 2013 #38
OFGS. You need help to deal with complete morons? Hard to take your query at all seriously. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #33
Of course, when you hear it over and over again all night long xmas74 Jul 2013 #36
Really? What about all the mud slinging that goes on during campaigns? Fla Dem Jul 2013 #34
You know this and I know this xmas74 Jul 2013 #37
Well, it was nice knowing you Fumesucker Jul 2013 #48
Now that's a great answer. xmas74 Jul 2013 #57
Next time they say 'look it up', reply 'OK drop your pants and bend over.' edbermac Jul 2013 #45
They are pulling your wank mick063 Jul 2013 #46
Enforced by the IRA, that bill applies only to registered republicans! B Calm Jul 2013 #47
Tell them it's absolutely true jmowreader Jul 2013 #49
Tell them Shrub didn't put that in the ' Patriot act ' . orpupilofnature57 Jul 2013 #51
Just tell them this quote from a Republican president-Teddy Roosevelt. hobbit709 Jul 2013 #52
That's why they dumped him, a great American . orpupilofnature57 Jul 2013 #54
They expected him to be a vice-president and no more. hobbit709 Jul 2013 #55
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