Welcome to DU!
The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards.
Join the community:
Create a free account
Support DU (and get rid of ads!):
Become a Star Member
Latest Breaking News
Editorials & Other Articles
General Discussion
The DU Lounge
All Forums
Issue Forums
Culture Forums
Alliance Forums
Region Forums
Support Forums
Help & Search
General Discussion
Showing Original Post only (View all)Why I won't allow guns in Keefer's Restaurant [View all]
Why does this commie hate America??(snip)
Our point is this: We believe that alcohol and guns are a toxic mix and a thorough, common-sense approach to public safety is needed. That is why we posted a sign in our restaurant prohibiting guns.
I personally have been involved in the restaurant and bar business for more than 40 years from busboy to restaurant owner and I have served hundreds of thousands of people during my career. I have seen the effect alcohol can have on the judgment and disposition of guests. When I was manager at a local restaurant, a well-known professional athlete put a Bowie knife to my jugular vein when I asked him to relinquish his weapon. Many years ago, a friend was shot and killed in the parking lot outside a bar after a fistfight. A second friend barely survived a shot to his abdomen from the same intoxicated gunman who had lost the fight.
It is illegal to drink and drive, and it should be illegal to drink and carry a gun.
The bill approved by Illinois' General Assembly permits concealed-carry in bars and restaurants (including family restaurants) having less than 50 percent of gross receipts from the sale of alcohol. This is irresponsible and implies that the guest drinking chardonnay at a high-end restaurant can't become just as impaired as the customer drinking whiskey and beer at a corner tavern.
By prohibiting guns in places deriving more than 50 percent of its gross receipts from the sale of alcohol, the bill acknowledges the danger of mixing alcohol and guns, yet it turns a blind eye to what happens in places with less than 50 percent alcohol sales. Some restaurants with higher per capita consumption of alcohol easily could fall below the 50 percent threshold because of disproportionately high food menu prices. Alcohol consumption should be measured by individual consumption. Using percentages of gross receipts fails to address individual behavior and puts the lives of innocent guests and workers at risk.
Read More: http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20130801/OPINION/130739928/why-i-wont-allow-guns-in-keefers-restaurant
InfoView thread info, including edit history
TrashPut this thread in your Trash Can (My DU » Trash Can)
BookmarkAdd this thread to your Bookmarks (My DU » Bookmarks)
181 replies, 34512 views
ShareGet links to this post and/or share on social media
AlertAlert this post for a rule violation
PowersThere are no powers you can use on this post
EditCannot edit other people's posts
ReplyReply to this post
EditCannot edit other people's posts
Rec (155)
ReplyReply to this post
181 replies
= new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight:
NoneDon't highlight anything
5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
If I lived there he'd get LOTS of my business. I agree completely with him.
kestrel91316
Aug 2013
#41
I guess we'll cancel each other out... as he just found a new customer in me.
LanternWaste
Aug 2013
#43
It's a great point--we don't allow people to drink and drive, why should they be allowed
msanthrope
Aug 2013
#5
Who's allowing people to drink and carry concealed? (It *is* still illegal, btw..)
X_Digger
Aug 2013
#20
Why bother with your chart and the last sentence? My question has nothing to do with that.
AlinPA
Aug 2013
#86
I'm not proposing anything. My point is how the hell would you know if someone has a gun if it
AlinPA
Aug 2013
#89
Prevalent convictions...frequency..? Try this: 10 people drinking in a bar. One of them is hiding a
AlinPA
Aug 2013
#98
Can't see what conviction numbers have to do with it it. Maybe frisking everyone at the bar?
AlinPA
Aug 2013
#102
Is there some rule that says one cannot become intoxicated at the Olive Garden while gun toting? n/t
ellisonz
Aug 2013
#161
So clearly then we should set an arbitrary limit on where one can tote where alcohol is served?
ellisonz
Aug 2013
#163
"Why do I have to compromise my safety because of someone else's beverage choice?"
ellisonz
Aug 2013
#165
The Second Amendment does not afford a right to carry whatever gun, whenever, wherever you please.
ellisonz
Aug 2013
#167
We don't disagree. One of us is giving the interpretation of the Constitution as declared by SCOTUS.
ellisonz
Aug 2013
#173
Its a social more that a restaurant is expected to cut a drunk off at a certain point and encourage
Erose999
Aug 2013
#54
"It is illegal to drink and drive, and it should be illegal to drink and carry a gun."
Jim__
Aug 2013
#9
It is illegal to be drunk and to drive. In many states it is illegal to be drunk and to carry a gun.
hack89
Aug 2013
#11
As a gun owner and restaurant worker, this guy makes a very clear and to me obvious point:
marble falls
Aug 2013
#10
I agree totaly. I'd go a step further: being arrested drunk with a firearm should lose one's right..
marble falls
Aug 2013
#15
A person with more than two or three DUIs should lose his license at least until the drinking stops.
marble falls
Aug 2013
#24
I wonder how many customers leave his place just under the legal limit but still impaired?
hack89
Aug 2013
#13
Am I the 'he' of which you speak? I cut my customers off at two drinks in one hour and keep....
marble falls
Aug 2013
#136
The voice of experience versus those who have a pathological need to force themselves on others.
freshwest
Aug 2013
#63
It is illegal to drink and drive, and it should be illegal to drink and carry a gun.
etherealtruth
Aug 2013
#78
Commie bastard probably doesn't allow smoking either! What fun is a firearm without
brewens
Aug 2013
#90
I don't understand the usefulness of CCWs, now don't get me wrong...
Humanist_Activist
Aug 2013
#113
"It is illegal to drink and drive, and it should be illegal to drink and carry a gun."
CrispyQ
Aug 2013
#116