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Robb

(39,665 posts)
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 09:49 AM Aug 2013

Why I won't allow guns in Keefer's Restaurant [View all]

Why does this commie hate America??


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Our point is this: We believe that alcohol and guns are a toxic mix and a thorough, common-sense approach to public safety is needed. That is why we posted a sign in our restaurant prohibiting guns.

I personally have been involved in the restaurant and bar business for more than 40 years — from busboy to restaurant owner — and I have served hundreds of thousands of people during my career. I have seen the effect alcohol can have on the judgment and disposition of guests. When I was manager at a local restaurant, a well-known professional athlete put a Bowie knife to my jugular vein when I asked him to relinquish his weapon. Many years ago, a friend was shot and killed in the parking lot outside a bar after a fistfight. A second friend barely survived a shot to his abdomen from the same intoxicated gunman who had lost the fight.

It is illegal to drink and drive, and it should be illegal to drink and carry a gun.

The bill approved by Illinois' General Assembly permits concealed-carry in bars and restaurants (including family restaurants) having less than 50 percent of gross receipts from the sale of alcohol. This is irresponsible and implies that the guest drinking chardonnay at a high-end restaurant can't become just as impaired as the customer drinking whiskey and beer at a corner tavern.

By prohibiting guns in places deriving more than 50 percent of its gross receipts from the sale of alcohol, the bill acknowledges the danger of mixing alcohol and guns, yet it turns a blind eye to what happens in places with less than 50 percent alcohol sales. Some restaurants with higher per capita consumption of alcohol easily could fall below the 50 percent threshold because of disproportionately high food menu prices. Alcohol consumption should be measured by individual consumption. Using percentages of gross receipts fails to address individual behavior and puts the lives of innocent guests and workers at risk.

Read More: http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20130801/OPINION/130739928/why-i-wont-allow-guns-in-keefers-restaurant
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Bravo mick063 Aug 2013 #1
Same for me. AndyA Aug 2013 #8
Out of sight, out of mind? X_Digger Aug 2013 #16
Concealed carry is concealed for a reason. rl6214 Aug 2013 #72
Yeah, so the toter won't look like a silly fool. Hoyt Aug 2013 #83
Yep mick063 Aug 2013 #101
And this comment doesn't make any sense at all. rl6214 Aug 2013 #109
Your reply sure doesn't make sense, but the one you are replying to does. RC Aug 2013 #119
Yeah, none of these people needed to kill their own food either rl6214 Aug 2013 #122
yeah heaven05 Aug 2013 #118
I vaguely know Glenn Keefer. greatauntoftriplets Aug 2013 #2
How does he enfore that rule? GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #141
We are now entering the Twilight Zone in NC, too, with guns allowed in bars. mnhtnbb Aug 2013 #3
Virginia also... thecrow Aug 2013 #29
"The Bible is violent." WorseBeforeBetter Aug 2013 #65
"You look like the Devil this morning," Blam Hubert Flottz Aug 2013 #115
I agree. Travis_0004 Aug 2013 #127
I'm glad that he's up front about it... Pelican Aug 2013 #4
Do you live in his area? JustAnotherGen Aug 2013 #22
Nope... Pelican Aug 2013 #25
It's an upscale steak house. greatauntoftriplets Aug 2013 #26
I think this man's idea JustAnotherGen Aug 2013 #37
I agree with you. greatauntoftriplets Aug 2013 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author tumtum Aug 2013 #40
Hooey Hooey Hooey JustAnotherGen Aug 2013 #44
Thanks for explaining that. tumtum Aug 2013 #48
My dad JustAnotherGen Aug 2013 #60
I'm ashamed to say that during my tours I did use the term. tumtum Aug 2013 #106
why regret it DustyJoe Aug 2013 #177
Would you consider yourself a racist? Bandit Aug 2013 #179
Back then? Yes. tumtum Aug 2013 #180
DINKS = Double Income - No Kids LanternWaste Aug 2013 #45
Got it, see post 48. tumtum Aug 2013 #49
Guess I am not in the vast majority... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #82
In somewhat more recent usage ... surrealAmerican Aug 2013 #46
Got it, see post 48. tumtum Aug 2013 #50
If I lived there he'd get LOTS of my business. I agree completely with him. kestrel91316 Aug 2013 #41
If they're carrying concealed, how do you know they're carrying? tumtum Aug 2013 #42
If you lived where I lived JustAnotherGen Aug 2013 #47
That may be true, but that's not what I asked. tumtum Aug 2013 #51
If I answer the question JustAnotherGen Aug 2013 #59
You may think nobody knows. RC Aug 2013 #121
I guess we'll cancel each other out... as he just found a new customer in me. LanternWaste Aug 2013 #43
Me too, I'd eat there if I end up in that area in my travels. Erose999 Aug 2013 #52
It's a great point--we don't allow people to drink and drive, why should they be allowed msanthrope Aug 2013 #5
Who's allowing people to drink and carry concealed? (It *is* still illegal, btw..) X_Digger Aug 2013 #20
The Illinois law thecrow Aug 2013 #27
The other half of that is that it doesn't allow *carrying* while drinking. X_Digger Aug 2013 #28
If it's concealed, who the hell would know? AlinPA Aug 2013 #74
Without pulling a driver over, how do you know he has a license? X_Digger Aug 2013 #84
Why bother with your chart and the last sentence? My question has nothing to do with that. AlinPA Aug 2013 #86
No, it's perfectly relevant. X_Digger Aug 2013 #87
Texas CHL holders are merely better at beating the rap. Robb Aug 2013 #88
Oh look, random data point without data for comparison. X_Digger Aug 2013 #96
Don't let good data get in the way of manufactured stereotype... Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #131
"Culture war", Wayne? Robb Aug 2013 #137
Yep. Casual denigration doesn't hide anything. Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #140
I'm not proposing anything. My point is how the hell would you know if someone has a gun if it AlinPA Aug 2013 #89
The same way you 'know' if someone driving down the road has a license.. X_Digger Aug 2013 #97
Prevalent convictions...frequency..? Try this: 10 people drinking in a bar. One of them is hiding a AlinPA Aug 2013 #98
Easy, The criminal! Bazinga Aug 2013 #100
Can't see what conviction numbers have to do with it it. Maybe frisking everyone at the bar? AlinPA Aug 2013 #102
Or how about not encouraging a culture of reckless gun toting? ellisonz Aug 2013 #146
I like the Texas approach to this problem oneshooter Aug 2013 #147
Did you read the OP article? ellisonz Aug 2013 #150
What about an olive garden, or a Texas roadhouse? Bazinga Aug 2013 #160
Is there some rule that says one cannot become intoxicated at the Olive Garden while gun toting? n/t ellisonz Aug 2013 #161
Yes there is. It is against the law. Bazinga Aug 2013 #162
So clearly then we should set an arbitrary limit on where one can tote where alcohol is served? ellisonz Aug 2013 #163
Why is no guns while intoxicated not enough? Bazinga Aug 2013 #164
"Why do I have to compromise my safety because of someone else's beverage choice?" ellisonz Aug 2013 #165
Absolutely right. Bazinga Aug 2013 #166
The Second Amendment does not afford a right to carry whatever gun, whenever, wherever you please. ellisonz Aug 2013 #167
Please define threatened. Bazinga Aug 2013 #168
Tough shit. ellisonz Aug 2013 #169
Well then I'll side with the Democrats, Bazinga Aug 2013 #170
That doesn't mean what you think it does. ellisonz Aug 2013 #171
Fair enough. Bazinga Aug 2013 #172
We don't disagree. One of us is giving the interpretation of the Constitution as declared by SCOTUS. ellisonz Aug 2013 #173
What was hypothetical about my argument? Bazinga Aug 2013 #175
You didn't address my post at all. ellisonz Aug 2013 #178
Nor you mine. Bazinga Aug 2013 #181
Nobody. Travis_0004 Aug 2013 #128
alot of people blueamy66 Aug 2013 #138
^^^^ ellisonz Aug 2013 #145
It allows you to CC, as long as the owner doesn't ban firearms, tumtum Aug 2013 #30
It depends on whether IL concealed carry allows drinking while carrying rl6214 Aug 2013 #73
Its a social more that a restaurant is expected to cut a drunk off at a certain point and encourage Erose999 Aug 2013 #54
And that is the law in states that allow concealed carry in restaurants. X_Digger Aug 2013 #55
there are plenty of other places for gun humpers to go Skittles Aug 2013 #77
Sure there are. tumtum Aug 2013 #104
sorry, I cannot help with your affliction Skittles Aug 2013 #111
Affliction in your eyes, tumtum Aug 2013 #123
sorry, it's not me who is paranoid Skittles Aug 2013 #124
It sounds like you're paranoid of people with firearms. tumtum Aug 2013 #125
Not this shit again ellisonz Aug 2013 #149
Nobody's forcing you to read it. tumtum Aug 2013 #153
Paranoid? You guys can't venture out without a gun strapped to your body. Hoyt Aug 2013 #157
You're funny. tumtum Aug 2013 #158
Sounds reasonable - it is all about choice. nt hack89 Aug 2013 #6
I didn't know Ben Kingsley had a brother Dash87 Aug 2013 #7
"It is illegal to drink and drive, and it should be illegal to drink and carry a gun." Jim__ Aug 2013 #9
It is illegal to be drunk and to drive. In many states it is illegal to be drunk and to carry a gun. hack89 Aug 2013 #11
You are incorrect. blueamy66 Aug 2013 #139
No, and it would still be illegal to do so in IL after this change. n/t X_Digger Aug 2013 #21
Only a total gun crazy would disagree, lark Aug 2013 #39
Thanks for acknowledging I am not a "total gun crazy." Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #135
As a gun owner and restaurant worker, this guy makes a very clear and to me obvious point: marble falls Aug 2013 #10
In many states it is a crime to use a gun while intoxicated. hack89 Aug 2013 #12
I agree totaly. I'd go a step further: being arrested drunk with a firearm should lose one's right.. marble falls Aug 2013 #15
Just like a drunk driver should permanently lose their license. nt hack89 Aug 2013 #18
A person with more than two or three DUIs should lose his license at least until the drinking stops. marble falls Aug 2013 #24
No. One DUI is all that is necessary to kill an innocent person hack89 Aug 2013 #32
I'll drink to that. marble falls Aug 2013 #35
You generally do Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #92
Thanks for a common sense approach. Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #132
I wonder how many customers leave his place just under the legal limit but still impaired? hack89 Aug 2013 #13
Am I the 'he' of which you speak? I cut my customers off at two drinks in one hour and keep.... marble falls Aug 2013 #136
never thought about this mgardener Aug 2013 #14
Are you saying that your state does not alread have that law? ManiacJoe Aug 2013 #80
Alcohol and guns are a toxic mix obama2terms Aug 2013 #17
They have allowed guns in bars here in Tenn. for over 4 years Go Vols Aug 2013 #56
No, they tend to shoot people in the parking lot. Robb Aug 2013 #58
Yep,not in a bar Go Vols Aug 2013 #61
And nothing about concealed carry, either. X_Digger Aug 2013 #64
Harry Ray Coleman held a concealed carry permit. Robb Aug 2013 #66
Funny, the article you posted doesn't seem to support that.. X_Digger Aug 2013 #67
He's one of the convicted CCW murderers at the link in my signature line. Robb Aug 2013 #68
Thanks for actual relevant info. n/t X_Digger Aug 2013 #69
It's still a stupid idea obama2terms Aug 2013 #105
I think this goes on Go Vols Aug 2013 #107
That it does obama2terms Aug 2013 #130
you can't drink if CCin. ileus Aug 2013 #19
Or TX. n/t X_Digger Aug 2013 #23
Or AZ. tumtum Aug 2013 #31
Or FL. spin Aug 2013 #34
Or in GA aikoaiko Aug 2013 #57
Guns are allowed in bars in Georgia, but from the law I have read, RebelOne Aug 2013 #62
If it's concealed, who the hell would know? AlinPA Aug 2013 #75
Like most other laws on the books, it wouldn't be enforced truebluegreen Aug 2013 #129
Here's what's funny; DAngelo136 Aug 2013 #33
How many times does this have to be said? tumtum Aug 2013 #36
In all states? AlinPA Aug 2013 #91
I every state I am aware of Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #94
Shh. Stereotypes, narratives & doctrine are being manufactured. Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #133
Carrying in a bar or restaurant doesn't require drinking in that bar. aikoaiko Aug 2013 #53
Odd how some don't seem to grasp that fact. ileus Aug 2013 #81
The voice of experience versus those who have a pathological need to force themselves on others. freshwest Aug 2013 #63
I'll drink to this man Jack Rabbit Aug 2013 #70
With a Texas CCL you cannot drink and carry. rl6214 Aug 2013 #71
OMG COMMON SENSE Skittles Aug 2013 #76
A pleasant non insulting attitude, something you seriously lack. n/t oneshooter Aug 2013 #148
see,that's what cracks me up Skittles Aug 2013 #152
Then tell me what personal insults have been posted from the pro gun side. oneshooter Aug 2013 #174
It is illegal to drink and drive, and it should be illegal to drink and carry a gun. etherealtruth Aug 2013 #78
Umm it is Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #93
How fun etherealtruth Aug 2013 #95
Well no Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #99
In every state that I know of, that IS the law. GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #142
I cut and pasted a line from the article in agreement etherealtruth Aug 2013 #144
So let me get this straight Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #79
"Only a fool would think the sign changes anything." rdharma Aug 2013 #103
Geeze, my own e stalker Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #114
Are we talking about the "effectiveness" of the sign. rdharma Aug 2013 #120
if I was carrying concealed Niceguy1 Aug 2013 #110
The right to life must be the #1 priority malaise Aug 2013 #85
Commie bastard probably doesn't allow smoking either! What fun is a firearm without brewens Aug 2013 #90
and it should be illegal to drink and carry a gun cui bono Aug 2013 #108
There you go, someone using common sense for a change. B Calm Aug 2013 #112
I don't understand the usefulness of CCWs, now don't get me wrong... Humanist_Activist Aug 2013 #113
"It is illegal to drink and drive, and it should be illegal to drink and carry a gun." CrispyQ Aug 2013 #116
Already is illegal in all states that I know of. N/T GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #143
Like most yahoos who walk into a bar aren't going to drink. Be real. Hoyt Aug 2013 #151
Perhaps *you* can't walk into a restaurant without drinking; some of us have more self-control. X_Digger Aug 2013 #154
Most will, but the designated driver won't. GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #155
I have no problem walking into a bar carrying concealed and not drinking. tumtum Aug 2013 #159
glad heaven05 Aug 2013 #117
plus, guns are hard to cook properly. nt Deep13 Aug 2013 #126
Not if you use a pressure cooker. tumtum Aug 2013 #134
Here in Texas one sees this sign quite a bit: GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #156
You forgot to use the "room full of easy targets" 2A quip...eom Kolesar Aug 2013 #176
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