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randome

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80. Metadata phone records are not part of your personal effects.

Sat Aug 10, 2013, 01:06 PM

Aug 2013

So 4th Amendment protections do not apply. You want to change that? I'm fine with it.

But as the law stands currently, it is not illegal for the government to store copies of these records.
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Snowden findings corroborated by second whistleblower [View all] kpete Aug 2013 OP

Great article. Thanks! nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #1

k&r thanks for posting. nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #2

Look at this episode of Democracy Now from January 3, 2006 that has an interview with Tice... cascadiance Aug 2013 #3

Excellent video. Thankyou. nt snappyturtle Aug 2013 #14

The entire legal structure changed between Tice and Snowden Recursion Aug 2013 #4

Mr. Tice last worked for the NSA in 2005. During the Bush Jr. Era. randome Aug 2013 #5

tice kardonb Aug 2013 #7

I don't know, maybe he THINKS he knows stuff but he doesn't come across very well to me. randome Aug 2013 #10

And what do YOU know? You seem to only believe the lies Obama tells you. Volumes of reporting, chimpymustgo Aug 2013 #59

Russ Tice knows what he did, himself, personally - listen 2 calls of prominent politicians, judges, leveymg Aug 2013 #101

Oh sure. another_liberal Aug 2013 #15

Really? Can your verify Your Access to NSA? Do you work for the Government? KoKo Aug 2013 #17

So why would Tice be coming out with this now, eight years later? randome Aug 2013 #34

DU was talking about TICE and NSA spying back then. Octafish Aug 2013 #63

His eight-year-old assertions corroborate nothing, however. randome Aug 2013 #70

Other than Snowden? Octafish Aug 2013 #76

LOL! Rex Aug 2013 #88

And nothing changed, in fact it looks like, as anyone with a brain would sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #25

The egregious abuses were stopped by Obama in case you have forgotten. randome Aug 2013 #35

I saw the evidence, and so did members of Congress. And today, sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #36

what if the evidence you want arrives in the form of "President Palin"? alc Aug 2013 #66

What is your solution, then? No spying ever? randome Aug 2013 #69

My (wait, no, OUR) solutions are the 4th, 5th, & 6th Amendments. appal_jack Aug 2013 #77

Metadata phone records are not part of your personal effects. randome Aug 2013 #80

Metadata collection is not 1/10 of the problem, and you should know this. appal_jack Aug 2013 #105

That video is from 2006. So what he said there, he knew in 2005. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #37

Oh. Well, that has even less to do with the changes made since then. randome Aug 2013 #56

Why is this being trotted out now if not to try and damage the President? questionseverything Aug 2013 #85

He says there is no illegal collection being done.How can he stop something that doesn't occur? randome Aug 2013 #92

Your agenda won't permit you to find him credible any longer DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #40

I need to see evidence, that's all. randome Aug 2013 #55

Well, if you don't find him credible any longer, morningfog Aug 2013 #64

Good thing we have a whistleblower from back then too, to hang this program on the Bush Junta Coyotl Aug 2013 #72

^^K&R^^nt Progressive dog Aug 2013 #79

k and r and thank you for the reminder niyad Aug 2013 #6

"They went after" freedom fighter jh Aug 2013 #8

Exactly, this could be blackmail, and we have to wonder how many sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #26

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #9

K&R Cleita Aug 2013 #11

K&R cantbeserious Aug 2013 #12

K&R n/t Michigan-Arizona Aug 2013 #13

Tice has been out there a long time. You're just now finding him? DevonRex Aug 2013 #16

now kpete gets thrown under the bus?!? burnodo Aug 2013 #18

Where was EVERYONE before the extension was passed in December? DevonRex Aug 2013 #23

Here's a really huge discussion on the issue in May: joshcryer Aug 2013 #45

Excellent question Grateful for Hope Aug 2013 #78

The question is not where kpete was. The question is DirkGently Aug 2013 #19

Where were YOU when Wyden tried to amend FISA in December? DevonRex Aug 2013 #24

I don't follow. DUers, not the President, make policy? DirkGently Aug 2013 #31

The very loud and very PUBLIC debate you guys ignored for MONTHS DevonRex Aug 2013 #41

Well, that's a pretty thorough smack down. joshcryer Aug 2013 #44

But it will be ignored just as the debates were through 2012. DevonRex Aug 2013 #46

Well, there was a lot of stuff re Sandy Hook & gun politics then Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #51

The debate started in March. Go down the list. These are transcripts DevonRex Aug 2013 #89

I understand. But the debate started days after Sandy Hook, Dec. 2012... Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #97

Wow, those links are all random gibberish. DirkGently Aug 2013 #53

It is a chronological list of every single thing both houses said or did re intel DevonRex Aug 2013 #86

So you didn't read your own links? The ones you contend prove ... something? DirkGently Aug 2013 #93

Thank you. great white snark Aug 2013 #62

Ummm reading about vague unsubtantiated warnings? Pholus Aug 2013 #60

So you ignored Senators who sounded the alarm for MONTHS????? DevonRex Aug 2013 #87

Apparently it took Snowden to get Obama's attention, eh? DirkGently Aug 2013 #98

Obama Admin had 22 briefings w/members of Congress in 14 months on FISA. DevonRex Aug 2013 #102

Super. What policy changes in favor of transparency were proposed? DirkGently Aug 2013 #103

What a particularly precious rant! Pholus Aug 2013 #106

Secret debate??? The fucking TRANSCRIPTS ARE RIGHT THERE!!!!!!!!! DevonRex Aug 2013 #107

Oh FFS! Transcripts full of "Least Untruthful" statements you mean... Pholus Aug 2013 #108

What are you talking about??? Do you really not understand what has sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #30

LOL, Sabrina. You're the one who missed it all. See post #41. DevonRex Aug 2013 #48

Post #41 is a collection of random gibberish. DirkGently Aug 2013 #54

Baby Blue links. bahrbearian Aug 2013 #67

Oh shit, that was funny. Bonobo Aug 2013 #68

The Federation Of American Scientists listed and linked to the transcripts DevonRex Aug 2013 #94

The top link is to FAS. Go there. This is their list of transcripts of floor debate DevonRex Aug 2013 #90

By all means, enlighten us with your command of the facts. DirkGently Aug 2013 #96

I've been outraged for years! blackspade Aug 2013 #33

You can wallow in the "I told you so's" all you want, but keep our sideshow to the side DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #42

Policy posts don't get attention / discussion. joshcryer Aug 2013 #43

I finally did. And they don't much like it. DevonRex Aug 2013 #49

You held in a collection of random gibberish? DirkGently Aug 2013 #57

This is unfuckingbelievable. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #61

They're panicking in the face of reality, it seems. DirkGently Aug 2013 #82

We can see it! Enthusiast Aug 2013 #83

You think Federation Of American Scientists' list is gibberish? DevonRex Aug 2013 #91

And you contend this hearty copypasta portends what, exactly? DirkGently Aug 2013 #95

I don't it took a hacker to bring this situation to the forefront of people's minds. ZombieHorde Aug 2013 #52

well i occasionally watch fox news so populistdriven Aug 2013 #58

New rule: No talking about the past. Coyotl Aug 2013 #73

Is this the guy who claimed the NSA was blackmailing President Obama? PragmaticLiberal Aug 2013 #20

Do you believe that they aren't? JDPriestly Aug 2013 #38

This the guy who knows the NSA was tracking Mr. Obama, an up and coming Democrat. Coyotl Aug 2013 #74

So, puzzle pieces have been out there but now with Snowden they can be tied together? Babel_17 Aug 2013 #21

Well, it would be so much better if the *constatly distracted* citizenry would take an interest Amonester Aug 2013 #27

This is what leakers & journalists DO. DirkGently Aug 2013 #99

Kick! sarcasmo Aug 2013 #22

Tice is a former NSA analyst who blew the whistle on massive FISA violations...in 2005 jazzimov Aug 2013 #28

He needs to produce the evidence..... Historic NY Aug 2013 #29

Snowden has produced the evidence, but then he is discredited for other reasons. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #39

Did he, its not been tested in a court of law or any other hearing... Historic NY Aug 2013 #65

Where? All I've seen is powerpoint slides that contradict what he says Recursion Aug 2013 #75

This is getting problematic for the NSA programs.... blackspade Aug 2013 #32

And there are more whistleblowers, too usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #47

good stuff, nt AppleBottom Aug 2013 #50

Exactly what we have been saying all along,"Bush spied on the Democrats." Coyotl Aug 2013 #71

So what do they have on President Obama? DeSwiss Aug 2013 #81

The warning came in February, 2008. OnyxCollie Aug 2013 #84

Dallas DeSwiss Aug 2013 #100

Doug Horne of the ARRB might concur... Octafish Aug 2013 #104

K&R woo me with science Aug 2013 #109