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Eleanors38

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97. I understand. But the debate started days after Sandy Hook, Dec. 2012...

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Aug 2013

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Snowden findings corroborated by second whistleblower [View all] kpete Aug 2013 OP

Great article. Thanks! nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #1

k&r thanks for posting. nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #2

Look at this episode of Democracy Now from January 3, 2006 that has an interview with Tice... cascadiance Aug 2013 #3

Excellent video. Thankyou. nt snappyturtle Aug 2013 #14

The entire legal structure changed between Tice and Snowden Recursion Aug 2013 #4

Mr. Tice last worked for the NSA in 2005. During the Bush Jr. Era. randome Aug 2013 #5

tice kardonb Aug 2013 #7

I don't know, maybe he THINKS he knows stuff but he doesn't come across very well to me. randome Aug 2013 #10

And what do YOU know? You seem to only believe the lies Obama tells you. Volumes of reporting, chimpymustgo Aug 2013 #59

Russ Tice knows what he did, himself, personally - listen 2 calls of prominent politicians, judges, leveymg Aug 2013 #101

Oh sure. another_liberal Aug 2013 #15

Really? Can your verify Your Access to NSA? Do you work for the Government? KoKo Aug 2013 #17

So why would Tice be coming out with this now, eight years later? randome Aug 2013 #34

DU was talking about TICE and NSA spying back then. Octafish Aug 2013 #63

His eight-year-old assertions corroborate nothing, however. randome Aug 2013 #70

Other than Snowden? Octafish Aug 2013 #76

LOL! Rex Aug 2013 #88

And nothing changed, in fact it looks like, as anyone with a brain would sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #25

The egregious abuses were stopped by Obama in case you have forgotten. randome Aug 2013 #35

I saw the evidence, and so did members of Congress. And today, sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #36

what if the evidence you want arrives in the form of "President Palin"? alc Aug 2013 #66

What is your solution, then? No spying ever? randome Aug 2013 #69

My (wait, no, OUR) solutions are the 4th, 5th, & 6th Amendments. appal_jack Aug 2013 #77

Metadata phone records are not part of your personal effects. randome Aug 2013 #80

Metadata collection is not 1/10 of the problem, and you should know this. appal_jack Aug 2013 #105

That video is from 2006. So what he said there, he knew in 2005. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #37

Oh. Well, that has even less to do with the changes made since then. randome Aug 2013 #56

Why is this being trotted out now if not to try and damage the President? questionseverything Aug 2013 #85

He says there is no illegal collection being done.How can he stop something that doesn't occur? randome Aug 2013 #92

Your agenda won't permit you to find him credible any longer DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #40

I need to see evidence, that's all. randome Aug 2013 #55

Well, if you don't find him credible any longer, morningfog Aug 2013 #64

Good thing we have a whistleblower from back then too, to hang this program on the Bush Junta Coyotl Aug 2013 #72

^^K&R^^nt Progressive dog Aug 2013 #79

k and r and thank you for the reminder niyad Aug 2013 #6

"They went after" freedom fighter jh Aug 2013 #8

Exactly, this could be blackmail, and we have to wonder how many sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #26

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #9

K&R Cleita Aug 2013 #11

K&R cantbeserious Aug 2013 #12

K&R n/t Michigan-Arizona Aug 2013 #13

Tice has been out there a long time. You're just now finding him? DevonRex Aug 2013 #16

now kpete gets thrown under the bus?!? burnodo Aug 2013 #18

Where was EVERYONE before the extension was passed in December? DevonRex Aug 2013 #23

Here's a really huge discussion on the issue in May: joshcryer Aug 2013 #45

Excellent question Grateful for Hope Aug 2013 #78

The question is not where kpete was. The question is DirkGently Aug 2013 #19

Where were YOU when Wyden tried to amend FISA in December? DevonRex Aug 2013 #24

I don't follow. DUers, not the President, make policy? DirkGently Aug 2013 #31

The very loud and very PUBLIC debate you guys ignored for MONTHS DevonRex Aug 2013 #41

Well, that's a pretty thorough smack down. joshcryer Aug 2013 #44

But it will be ignored just as the debates were through 2012. DevonRex Aug 2013 #46

Well, there was a lot of stuff re Sandy Hook & gun politics then Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #51

The debate started in March. Go down the list. These are transcripts DevonRex Aug 2013 #89

I understand. But the debate started days after Sandy Hook, Dec. 2012... Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #97

Wow, those links are all random gibberish. DirkGently Aug 2013 #53

It is a chronological list of every single thing both houses said or did re intel DevonRex Aug 2013 #86

So you didn't read your own links? The ones you contend prove ... something? DirkGently Aug 2013 #93

Thank you. great white snark Aug 2013 #62

Ummm reading about vague unsubtantiated warnings? Pholus Aug 2013 #60

So you ignored Senators who sounded the alarm for MONTHS????? DevonRex Aug 2013 #87

Apparently it took Snowden to get Obama's attention, eh? DirkGently Aug 2013 #98

Obama Admin had 22 briefings w/members of Congress in 14 months on FISA. DevonRex Aug 2013 #102

Super. What policy changes in favor of transparency were proposed? DirkGently Aug 2013 #103

What a particularly precious rant! Pholus Aug 2013 #106

Secret debate??? The fucking TRANSCRIPTS ARE RIGHT THERE!!!!!!!!! DevonRex Aug 2013 #107

Oh FFS! Transcripts full of "Least Untruthful" statements you mean... Pholus Aug 2013 #108

What are you talking about??? Do you really not understand what has sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #30

LOL, Sabrina. You're the one who missed it all. See post #41. DevonRex Aug 2013 #48

Post #41 is a collection of random gibberish. DirkGently Aug 2013 #54

Baby Blue links. bahrbearian Aug 2013 #67

Oh shit, that was funny. Bonobo Aug 2013 #68

The Federation Of American Scientists listed and linked to the transcripts DevonRex Aug 2013 #94

The top link is to FAS. Go there. This is their list of transcripts of floor debate DevonRex Aug 2013 #90

By all means, enlighten us with your command of the facts. DirkGently Aug 2013 #96

I've been outraged for years! blackspade Aug 2013 #33

You can wallow in the "I told you so's" all you want, but keep our sideshow to the side DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #42

Policy posts don't get attention / discussion. joshcryer Aug 2013 #43

I finally did. And they don't much like it. DevonRex Aug 2013 #49

You held in a collection of random gibberish? DirkGently Aug 2013 #57

This is unfuckingbelievable. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #61

They're panicking in the face of reality, it seems. DirkGently Aug 2013 #82

We can see it! Enthusiast Aug 2013 #83

You think Federation Of American Scientists' list is gibberish? DevonRex Aug 2013 #91

And you contend this hearty copypasta portends what, exactly? DirkGently Aug 2013 #95

I don't it took a hacker to bring this situation to the forefront of people's minds. ZombieHorde Aug 2013 #52

well i occasionally watch fox news so populistdriven Aug 2013 #58

New rule: No talking about the past. Coyotl Aug 2013 #73

Is this the guy who claimed the NSA was blackmailing President Obama? PragmaticLiberal Aug 2013 #20

Do you believe that they aren't? JDPriestly Aug 2013 #38

This the guy who knows the NSA was tracking Mr. Obama, an up and coming Democrat. Coyotl Aug 2013 #74

So, puzzle pieces have been out there but now with Snowden they can be tied together? Babel_17 Aug 2013 #21

Well, it would be so much better if the *constatly distracted* citizenry would take an interest Amonester Aug 2013 #27

This is what leakers & journalists DO. DirkGently Aug 2013 #99

Kick! sarcasmo Aug 2013 #22

Tice is a former NSA analyst who blew the whistle on massive FISA violations...in 2005 jazzimov Aug 2013 #28

He needs to produce the evidence..... Historic NY Aug 2013 #29

Snowden has produced the evidence, but then he is discredited for other reasons. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #39

Did he, its not been tested in a court of law or any other hearing... Historic NY Aug 2013 #65

Where? All I've seen is powerpoint slides that contradict what he says Recursion Aug 2013 #75

This is getting problematic for the NSA programs.... blackspade Aug 2013 #32

And there are more whistleblowers, too usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #47

good stuff, nt AppleBottom Aug 2013 #50

Exactly what we have been saying all along,"Bush spied on the Democrats." Coyotl Aug 2013 #71

So what do they have on President Obama? DeSwiss Aug 2013 #81

The warning came in February, 2008. OnyxCollie Aug 2013 #84

Dallas DeSwiss Aug 2013 #100

Doug Horne of the ARRB might concur... Octafish Aug 2013 #104

K&R woo me with science Aug 2013 #109