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In reply to the discussion: While You’re Bashing Russia for its Homophobic Laws, Remember… [View all]MADem
(135,425 posts)63. I have a feeling that deny benefits business ain't gonna last.
It calls into question a lot of "reciprocal" agreements between states. If states aren't going to recognize marriages from the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, how would they like it if the Commonwealth decided to not recognize marriages from their state?
The military is also giving leave to people who want to marry, but the state where they are stationed won't permit it, so they can go to another state and have a proper wedding with family and friends.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-military-same-sex-20130815,0,6573151.story
In a sign of how quickly society is changing, the Pentagon said Wednesday it would grant special leave to thousands of military personnel in same-sex relationships so they can get married in the 13 states where such unions are legal making them eligible for the first time for full benefits provided to other military families.
The decision, which the Joint Chiefs of Staff unanimously backed, places the military in the forefront of the still-contentious national debate over same-sex unions. It follows the Supreme Court ruling in June to strike down the Defense of Marriage Act, which had said the federal government would recognize marriages only between a man and a woman.
Under the new policy, legally married same-sex couples can qualify for military housing allowances, healthcare, access to base shopping exchanges, extra compensation when a spouse in the military is deployed and unable to live at home, and a wide range of other benefits long available to other military families, the Pentagon said.
"It is now the department's policy to treat all married military personnel equally," Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said Wednesday in a memorandum outlining the new policy. He ordered the Defense Department to provide all military spouses and their children the same benefits "regardless of whether they are in same-sex or opposite-sex marriages."
The decision, which the Joint Chiefs of Staff unanimously backed, places the military in the forefront of the still-contentious national debate over same-sex unions. It follows the Supreme Court ruling in June to strike down the Defense of Marriage Act, which had said the federal government would recognize marriages only between a man and a woman.
Under the new policy, legally married same-sex couples can qualify for military housing allowances, healthcare, access to base shopping exchanges, extra compensation when a spouse in the military is deployed and unable to live at home, and a wide range of other benefits long available to other military families, the Pentagon said.
"It is now the department's policy to treat all married military personnel equally," Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said Wednesday in a memorandum outlining the new policy. He ordered the Defense Department to provide all military spouses and their children the same benefits "regardless of whether they are in same-sex or opposite-sex marriages."
I am very pleased about this, I must say. I worked on the transition team for integrating gays into the military at the DOD level, way back in the nineties. It was an awful lot of work; mostly ensuring that directives were re-drafted to match (what we thought was going to be) the new policy. Then, when Clinton couldn't push it past Congress and the DADT compromise became the fallback position, we had to go do it all over again from the less than optimal perspective, which was a huge disappointment. It's nice to see it finally coming around all these years later; benefits, dependency status, housing, the whole nine yards.
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The worst of "our" assholes can't jail and fine people for the "crime" of being gay.
MADem
Aug 2013
#3
Yep....no saying "My nephew married his partner" in the wrong crowd over there! nt
MADem
Aug 2013
#7
They're gonna be rich, too, seeing how Louisiana denied 'em their constitutional rights. nt
MADem
Aug 2013
#14
Yep, it will take years and years in America for LGBT to achieve 100% equality. America
RKP5637
Aug 2013
#34
What is clear to me is that you are approaching this from a theoretical point of view
riqster
Aug 2013
#62
I didn't "argue against that point" -- see post 11 (which I wrote WAY before your post 65)
MADem
Aug 2013
#72
Of course we're not saints from back in the day...but the big difference between us and them is that
MADem
Aug 2013
#11
Trying to remember when us Canucks last invaded a defenseless country . . .
ConcernedCanuk
Aug 2013
#70
Oh, let's see....Iraq? Afghanistan? Canada even played the "Nudge, Wink" in Vietnam
MADem
Aug 2013
#71
In KS, for one example, it is still a criminal act to be gay. They kept it on the books. As you
RKP5637
Aug 2013
#35
There are laws on the books in Georgia that say you have to eat fried chicken with your hand.
MADem
Aug 2013
#58
Yes, fortunately they are superseded! I wonder what is going to happen now DOMA was
RKP5637
Aug 2013
#61
What YOU should remember is that the corner has been turned here, in the right direction.
stevenleser
Aug 2013
#10
Yes, but degree of suckage and trajectory matter. Compare where we are now to where we were
stevenleser
Aug 2013
#66
By the OP's logic, the US was wrong to boycott apartheid South Africa because some
Bluenorthwest
Aug 2013
#13
No, your use of the word 'bashing' to characterize criticism of these Russian laws
Bluenorthwest
Aug 2013
#28
To the extent that you "extrapolated", I feel comfortable in my response to you.
riqster
Aug 2013
#31
By the way, you did not answer my question and you took a personal jab at me
Bluenorthwest
Aug 2013
#32
I don't think that illustrating the degrees of difference between the two nations, in this context a
LanternWaste
Aug 2013
#40
Calling out the deltas is not the same as acting like we are done with the fight here. nt
riqster
Aug 2013
#41
Almost all countries in Africa and the Middle East have harsher anti-gay laws than Russia.
former9thward
Aug 2013
#68