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MADem

(135,425 posts)
63. I have a feeling that deny benefits business ain't gonna last.
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 02:18 PM
Aug 2013

It calls into question a lot of "reciprocal" agreements between states. If states aren't going to recognize marriages from the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, how would they like it if the Commonwealth decided to not recognize marriages from their state?


The military is also giving leave to people who want to marry, but the state where they are stationed won't permit it, so they can go to another state and have a proper wedding with family and friends.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-military-same-sex-20130815,0,6573151.story

In a sign of how quickly society is changing, the Pentagon said Wednesday it would grant special leave to thousands of military personnel in same-sex relationships so they can get married in the 13 states where such unions are legal — making them eligible for the first time for full benefits provided to other military families.

The decision, which the Joint Chiefs of Staff unanimously backed, places the military in the forefront of the still-contentious national debate over same-sex unions. It follows the Supreme Court ruling in June to strike down the Defense of Marriage Act, which had said the federal government would recognize marriages only between a man and a woman.

Under the new policy, legally married same-sex couples can qualify for military housing allowances, healthcare, access to base shopping exchanges, extra compensation when a spouse in the military is deployed and unable to live at home, and a wide range of other benefits long available to other military families, the Pentagon said.

"It is now the department's policy to treat all married military personnel equally," Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said Wednesday in a memorandum outlining the new policy. He ordered the Defense Department to provide all military spouses and their children the same benefits "regardless of whether they are in same-sex or opposite-sex marriages."



I am very pleased about this, I must say. I worked on the transition team for integrating gays into the military at the DOD level, way back in the nineties. It was an awful lot of work; mostly ensuring that directives were re-drafted to match (what we thought was going to be) the new policy. Then, when Clinton couldn't push it past Congress and the DADT compromise became the fallback position, we had to go do it all over again from the less than optimal perspective, which was a huge disappointment. It's nice to see it finally coming around all these years later; benefits, dependency status, housing, the whole nine yards.
I posted a Happy Independence Day Thread here last week malaise Aug 2013 #1
I missed that thread and reply. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #2
Truthfully we are all ashamed about that malaise Aug 2013 #47
In Russia it is illegal to even talk about gay rights. nt Deep13 Aug 2013 #4
The worst of "our" assholes can't jail and fine people for the "crime" of being gay. MADem Aug 2013 #3
or just talking about gay rights. nt Deep13 Aug 2013 #5
Yep....no saying "My nephew married his partner" in the wrong crowd over there! nt MADem Aug 2013 #7
+1 obnoxiousdrunk Aug 2013 #6
Actually, people DO get jailed here for being gay. riqster Aug 2013 #8
They're gonna be rich, too, seeing how Louisiana denied 'em their constitutional rights. nt MADem Aug 2013 #14
Not many people get rich by suing the government riqster Aug 2013 #18
Yep, it will take years and years in America for LGBT to achieve 100% equality. America RKP5637 Aug 2013 #34
The right lawyer could get them a sweet payday. MADem Aug 2013 #45
Since you posted that Americans can't be arrested for being gay, riqster Aug 2013 #50
You're the one with the "errors" of fact, sorry to tell you. MADem Aug 2013 #56
Baton Rouge is one town among others. riqster Aug 2013 #59
Helloooooo? "Lawrence v. Texas" applies from sea to shining sea. MADem Aug 2013 #60
What is clear to me is that you are approaching this from a theoretical point of view riqster Aug 2013 #62
Now you're playing the "I have the moral high ground" finger wagging scold. MADem Aug 2013 #64
I made a point, and you disagreed in turn. riqster Aug 2013 #65
I didn't "argue against that point" -- see post 11 (which I wrote WAY before your post 65) MADem Aug 2013 #72
A friend of two mostly ex-DUers is rotting in prison KamaAina Aug 2013 #57
Not in the last ten years, anyway. Wilms Aug 2013 #9
Of course we're not saints from back in the day...but the big difference between us and them is that MADem Aug 2013 #11
I see how well the USA is "learning from their mistakes" ConcernedCanuk Aug 2013 #26
Everything sucks. America bad, Canada good. Whatever. MADem Aug 2013 #48
Trying to remember when us Canucks last invaded a defenseless country . . . ConcernedCanuk Aug 2013 #70
Oh, let's see....Iraq? Afghanistan? Canada even played the "Nudge, Wink" in Vietnam MADem Aug 2013 #71
You don't get it do you? - USA INITIATED those wars/invasions. ConcernedCanuk Aug 2013 #73
No--YOU don't get it, plainly. MADem Aug 2013 #74
OK. We get a gold star... Wilms Aug 2013 #29
Way to miss the point, but you're determined to be negative, so ... whatever. nt MADem Aug 2013 #44
In KS, for one example, it is still a criminal act to be gay. They kept it on the books. As you RKP5637 Aug 2013 #35
There are laws on the books in Georgia that say you have to eat fried chicken with your hand. MADem Aug 2013 #58
Yes, fortunately they are superseded! I wonder what is going to happen now DOMA was RKP5637 Aug 2013 #61
I have a feeling that deny benefits business ain't gonna last. MADem Aug 2013 #63
Unless mockmonkey Aug 2013 #20
They'll pay for that mistake. nt MADem Aug 2013 #51
What YOU should remember is that the corner has been turned here, in the right direction. stevenleser Aug 2013 #10
The battle here is far from won. riqster Aug 2013 #12
Problem is nobody thinks we are perfect. great white snark Aug 2013 #22
Fair enough. riqster Aug 2013 #24
I haven't seen any such thing. MNBrewer Aug 2013 #39
Yes, but degree of suckage and trajectory matter. Compare where we are now to where we were stevenleser Aug 2013 #66
No argument to any of that. riqster Aug 2013 #67
By the OP's logic, the US was wrong to boycott apartheid South Africa because some Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #13
That is not what I said. riqster Aug 2013 #15
No, your use of the word 'bashing' to characterize criticism of these Russian laws Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #28
To the extent that you "extrapolated", I feel comfortable in my response to you. riqster Aug 2013 #31
Well said. n/t pampango Aug 2013 #78
By the way, you did not answer my question and you took a personal jab at me Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #32
I didn't answer your question because it was based on a bogus extrapolation. riqster Aug 2013 #36
Whatever Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #42
Here is the blog post in its entirety: riqster Aug 2013 #16
+1! ConcernedCanuk Aug 2013 #75
It's not "Bashing" to tell the truth n/t n2doc Aug 2013 #17
Actually, I rather like bashing with the truth. riqster Aug 2013 #21
I just equate "Bashing" as meaning "Unfair attack" n2doc Aug 2013 #25
No worries. I could have chosen a better word. riqster Aug 2013 #30
Bashing is a very loaded word, particularly in this context. Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #38
If Russia had put Tien1985 Aug 2013 #19
To me, discrimination is discrimination. Always wrong. riqster Aug 2013 #23
^ this truebrit71 Aug 2013 #27
I appreciate that you Tien1985 Aug 2013 #33
Agreed completely. riqster Aug 2013 #37
I don't think that illustrating the degrees of difference between the two nations, in this context a LanternWaste Aug 2013 #40
Calling out the deltas is not the same as acting like we are done with the fight here. nt riqster Aug 2013 #41
I condemn Bigotry and homophobia anywhere LostOne4Ever Aug 2013 #43
+1,000,000 nt riqster Aug 2013 #46
When you put the force of the leftynyc Aug 2013 #49
Agreed. In Russia and in America. riqster Aug 2013 #52
I heard on the radio the other day... clarice Aug 2013 #53
That is a thing of beauty! nt riqster Aug 2013 #54
I laughed my ass off in the car when I heard that.... clarice Aug 2013 #55
Almost all countries in Africa and the Middle East have harsher anti-gay laws than Russia. former9thward Aug 2013 #68
Very true. riqster Aug 2013 #69
Homophobes in the US are being marginalized. ZombieHorde Aug 2013 #76
They are being marginalized, and that is good. riqster Aug 2013 #77
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