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pnwmom

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21. I read it both times. And I disagree that he's on the right.

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 12:37 AM

Aug 2013

"Left" and "right" are relative terms, and the world is not the same as it was 30 years ago. For example, supporting health insurance reforms of ANY kind put Obama on the left of the spectrum.

And "most of the real right is anti-spying"??? On what planet are you living?

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The war on the "far left" is an effort to move the Democratic Party to the right. [View all] cthulu2016 Aug 2013 OP

+1 yes, whether it's done intentionally or not (and I don't think it always is intentional)... Marr Aug 2013 #1

+10 RC Aug 2013 #2

Who does the Third Way serve? HooptieWagon Aug 2013 #3

Bankers. Wall St Bankers which is why we have seen no prosecutions since the Third Way sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #78

Wall St, telecoms, extraction Corps, MIC contractors. HooptieWagon Aug 2013 #80

If winning any given election is the only goal you can see... Bonobo Aug 2013 #4

Sometimes that works. Not in 2010. Ash_F Aug 2013 #59

The 1% knows it needs a new party. dawg Aug 2013 #5

Most of the social issues are lost under corporate control. HooptieWagon Aug 2013 #81

I agree with you, but many here apparently don't see it that way. dawg Aug 2013 #85

I agree. HooptieWagon Aug 2013 #89

Well HW the movement that is slowly brining actual equality to marriage has been one of the only Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #107

So rather than make the 1% start their own party.... HooptieWagon Aug 2013 #113

If you want a viable left in the US, it can't be built by attempting to apply pressure at the top: struggle4progress Aug 2013 #6

This is completely true. There's no Momma to cry to when you are not heard. Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #84

There is another way mick063 Aug 2013 #102

Catastrophic failure of the system is a rightwinger's wet dream: it will have no good effects struggle4progress Aug 2013 #105

Catastrophic failure gave us the New Deal mick063 Aug 2013 #111

If you really believed that netroots pressure on the top was useless, you wouldn't be posting here. leveymg Aug 2013 #110

I consider DU a useful place to share info and perspectives, but not a form of political action struggle4progress Aug 2013 #118

It's a form of organization and forum for ideas on how to do that. leveymg Aug 2013 #119

The Committees probably engaged in less trawling for reactions than we see here struggle4progress Aug 2013 #121

Creeping fascism AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #7

He's pro marriage equality, pro-choice, and pro-Dream Act. pnwmom Aug 2013 #8

Don't those all poll well? cthulu2016 Aug 2013 #11

Plurality support isn't enough. pnwmom Aug 2013 #15

Obama's position is that marriage equality should be up to the States, so no matter what the Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #108

This message was self-deleted by its author Adam051188 Aug 2013 #48

Yes those are centrist positions that used to be full left positions only RobertEarl Aug 2013 #16

Part of the reason more people support gay marriage these days pnwmom Aug 2013 #18

You must have missed this? RobertEarl Aug 2013 #20

I read it both times. And I disagree that he's on the right. pnwmom Aug 2013 #21

Just cause you say so? RobertEarl Aug 2013 #23

And what happened between Nixon and Obama? pnwmom Aug 2013 #25

Socialism is far left? RobertEarl Aug 2013 #28

Don't worry, all that stuff (if they can do it) nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #40

Over the bodies of a dead left RobertEarl Aug 2013 #42

There are days I think we really need to fully nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #43

You think we need to have another fire that killed hundreds? FSogol Aug 2013 #64

I'm not on the wrong site. I support socialism. pnwmom Aug 2013 #50

no it does not...it just means a lot of americans noiretextatique Aug 2013 #92

He is to the right. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #65

Dream on. n/t pnwmom Aug 2013 #66

He's is to the right. Having a D after his name doesn't change his positions. GoneFishin Aug 2013 #76

That is a fucking joke and an insult Maven Aug 2013 #51

Can you speak to how much influence Obama's attitudes have had pnwmom Aug 2013 #52

Can you? Please provide evidence that Obama's influence has dramatically shifted Maven Aug 2013 #54

From the previous post, how do you explain this? Just a random coincidence? pnwmom Aug 2013 #55

Again, that poll is unreliable and based on a small sample size Maven Aug 2013 #56

This post supports what I'm saying. Black Democrats traditionally have supported pnwmom Aug 2013 #61

You're comparing apples and oranges, and you have the dates backwards Maven Aug 2013 #74

I respect Julian Bond but Obama has had a far greater influence on the opinions of pnwmom Aug 2013 #75

there is a world of difference between poll numbers and going out in the streets and experiencing liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #60

+1 JoeyT Aug 2013 #69

can I have some of what you are smoking? liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #58

No. pnwmom Aug 2013 #62

What the fuck? Number23 Aug 2013 #120

Those are all things that don't cost the 1% any money. dawg Aug 2013 #17

+ Infinity... cascadiance Aug 2013 #47

Exactly. n/t Raksha Aug 2013 #122

You need to study up on the topic if you wish to discuss centrists issues. Because in fact those are Dragonfli Aug 2013 #35

Well stated but I'd have to say the party has already moved right. pa28 Aug 2013 #9

It only works on those that are foaming at the mouth mad. Rex Aug 2013 #10

Bi-partisanship/Triangulation = War On Liberal/Progressive Democrats blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #12

Yes, triangulation MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #26

Don't you mean, even further to the right? Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #13

What can one say? Some people fallforanything. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #14

Hilary 2016 and 2020 hfojvt Aug 2013 #19

Attacks? RobertEarl Aug 2013 #22

yes, attacks hfojvt Aug 2013 #24

Death to the heretics? RobertEarl Aug 2013 #29

death is a slight exxageration for effect hfojvt Aug 2013 #31

What's your point? RobertEarl Aug 2013 #32

What are words for? hfojvt Aug 2013 #128

And we should just LOVE that he keeps wanting to CUT social security huh? cascadiance Aug 2013 #49

I hope I'm dead and gone before another Clinton occupies the White House. GeorgeGist Aug 2013 #100

The objective? Maedhros Aug 2013 #39

except for social security and the TPP hfojvt Aug 2013 #53

Of course it makes you yawn. Maedhros Aug 2013 #86

that is prett funny, in an ironic sort of way hfojvt Aug 2013 #93

To what 500 Americans are you referring? Maedhros Aug 2013 #94

The 'far left' as described by the attackers from the Third Way, IS the Democratic Party. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #83

Clinton or else, eh? GeorgeGist Aug 2013 #99

I've seen the "Professional Left" slur used on DU 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #27

your strawman would be declaring there's a war on the left by Democrats Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #30

You might not know what a strawman is. cthulu2016 Aug 2013 #36

no. You seem to think there's an active effort to shut down liberal thought and activities by Dems Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #37

You recced one of the very threads this is about. JoeyT Aug 2013 #68

Nice catch, and great example. OP title: "The Far Left Wins Nothing. Again." nt Zorra Aug 2013 #70

Yep, the transparency in recs JoeyT Aug 2013 #71

I recommended it because of post content--not it's title Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #117

The war if it exists is by the left against the Democrats treestar Aug 2013 #116

The only assaults I see on the "far left"... TekGryphon Aug 2013 #33

I am far left and proud of it. Th1onein Aug 2013 #34

I still think this is all to drag his poll numbers down with his base. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #38

Huh? Coyotl Aug 2013 #41

they failed on their "libertarian right" meme - so they have returned to "far left" again Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #44

Just a thought Beowulf42 Aug 2013 #45

It should not be a surprise that agents of the Koch Brothers funded DLC are behind this campaign!... cascadiance Aug 2013 #46

because like it or not both parties belong to the corporations and the corporations don't think the liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #57

Get the f&%k out of the DU bubble once in a while. great white snark Aug 2013 #63

You mean "further right" ... Scuba Aug 2013 #67

George Lakoff: "Democrats moving to the middle is a double disaster Zorra Aug 2013 #72

exactly. Every time the democrats move to the center the republicans move more to the right. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #97

The war.... NCTraveler Aug 2013 #73

I will go further DonCoquixote Aug 2013 #77

... because that's where the big money donors want them Myrina Aug 2013 #79

Bill Clinton is Babe Ruth. Obama is Ted Williams. Discuss. ProSense Aug 2013 #82

It has been a very successful effort for quite awhile now. ananda Aug 2013 #87

Unrec brooklynite Aug 2013 #88

I'm too busy fighting the War on Christmas. JoePhilly Aug 2013 #90

What "far left"? In this country? TBF Aug 2013 #91

it is very definitely an intentional technique warrprayer Aug 2013 #95

In general, the scorn directed at the 'far/extreme left' is not meant for those geek tragedy Aug 2013 #96

bullshit. everyone at du votes democratic all the time Doctor_J Aug 2013 #125

Um, no. There are plenty of people who not only bash Obama and other geek tragedy Aug 2013 #126

The war on Democrats is an effort to get people to not vote for Democrats...nt SidDithers Aug 2013 #98

Poorly played ... GeorgeGist Aug 2013 #104

Amen. treestar Aug 2013 #115

If it moves any farther to the right, it'll look like this: KamaAina Aug 2013 #101

Proud to be rec #50 DJ13 Aug 2013 #103

In my neck o'the woods fredamae Aug 2013 #106

I think you answered your own question. jazzimov Aug 2013 #109

It's preamble to big time Primary show down. The Centrists think they own it all but they are unable Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #112

There is no "war on the far left" treestar Aug 2013 #114

Yup I agree gopiscrap Aug 2013 #123

The right's a bit crowded at the moment. Left's wide open. DirkGently Aug 2013 #124

How does attacking the fringe cause the middle to move? joshcryer Aug 2013 #127