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DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
28. "Zero-tolerance" works politically.
Thu Sep 19, 2013, 09:45 AM
Sep 2013

Whenever something horrible happens -- like a kid getting hurt at school -- in the following attempts to ensure "never again," one simplistic but popular suggestion is "zero tolerance."

At its heart I think it's just magical thinking. Punish Tylenol and immunize yourself from heroin overdoses. Come down like a ton of bricks on a plastic cake knife, and somehow it's less likely a knife or a gun will appear.

It's irrational, of course. The kid with a cake knife is not the same kid who's going to bring a pistol or a switchblade, and that kid's not going to get caught by the homeroom teacher anyway if they're really intent on doing harm.

It's the same logic as banning nail files or tiny knives on airplanes. Someone determined to do harm could do worse with a sharpened pencil, but somehow it's imagined that if you block anything remotely resembling a weapon, you're more protected from ... actual weapons.

So we get stupid rules, and punish the wrong kids for the wrong things.

You may be right that there's an element of misguided legal butt covering involved as well. People love to sue a school, and because "zero tolerance" sounds good to people, and requires no critical thinking to apply, a school or county could argue it's "doing everything it can." "Look, we ruined a kid's reputation for giving her friend a Midol, so how can it be our fault if someone else brought a crack pipe?"

Any way we slice it though, it's bad thinking. We DO know the difference between guns and cake knives and aspirin and crystal meth. We CAN differentiate between kids hugging in the hallway and committing rape under the bleachers.

And if we can't, we're in a lot more trouble than that posed by the actual threats we're considering.

I love zero tolerance school districts. sharp_stick Sep 2013 #1
These policies assume children are criminals Scootaloo Sep 2013 #4
Honesty is not always the best policy. PeteSelman Sep 2013 #2
He just should have brought his gun Politicalboi Sep 2013 #3
Congrats, you just taught the kid nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #5
"Never, EVER trust someone in a position of authority" riqster Sep 2013 #6
+1 Go Vols Sep 2013 #22
the teen was suspended for bringing a knife to a place that has a zero tolerance rule leftyohiolib Sep 2013 #7
So he didn't try to do the right thing? GeorgeGist Sep 2013 #9
yes he did but that's not why he was suspended. which is what the title says leftyohiolib Sep 2013 #10
You understand the headline implies he wouldn't have been DirkGently Sep 2013 #11
It is absolutely why he was suspended. joshcryer Sep 2013 #16
Tac-Force assisted opening knife rdharma Sep 2013 #8
Why did you post this? Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #17
To show you what this kids "pocket knife" looked like. rdharma Sep 2013 #20
Interesting, my immediate thought was the kind of pocket knife I carry with me... Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #23
This is what I think of a pocket knife Go Vols Sep 2013 #24
"Tac-Force Assisted" makes it sound scary doesn't it snooper2 Sep 2013 #30
"Land of the free and the home of the brave", just a song lyric now? alp227 Sep 2013 #12
Yep that's our wonderful public school system. As inflexible as ever. liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #13
I once brought a rocket to elementery school... hunter Sep 2013 #14
I sent my kid to school with cough drops today. I'm probably taking a chance on him getting liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #18
Happened to me aroach Sep 2013 #19
my kid's cough drops had menthol in them. *gasp*. Better watch out. Those kids might be in the liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #21
If you had done that at my elementary school, Art_from_Ark Sep 2013 #25
Stupid.. Promotes dishonesty with examples of rewarding their Cha Sep 2013 #15
Looks like we have another good one... defacto7 Sep 2013 #26
just trying to theorize why we hear about so many crackpot examples of "zero tolerance" policies Douglas Carpenter Sep 2013 #27
"Zero-tolerance" works politically. DirkGently Sep 2013 #28
412-963-9600 is the number to call to tell them they are idiots snooper2 Sep 2013 #29
Another policy that teaches that the rules are something to be avoided.... Decaffeinated Sep 2013 #31
Ikr! F those institutions of learning! Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #32
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