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In reply to the discussion: If Democrats cave now, do you *really* think things will *ever* get better? [View all]MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)47. I'm proud of that post, reproduced below
Let's see if it demonstrates *any* of the things that you're implying... that I thought the ACA should be struck down, that I wanted it to be struck down, ...
Hitler liked dogs, so if you like dogs...
For the record, I'm very happy that ACA remained fundamentally intact today. ACA is terribly weak tea, but it's not water.
I just popped on to DU and I see a bevy of threads savaging folks who wanted to see ACA taken out. I saw a thread insinuating that if anyone is disappointed by today's ruling, they are likely a lunatic Republican.
Look, I disagree with Democrats who wanted ACA struck down. I understand their profound disappointment. But they are not Republicans any more than dog lovers are Nazis. Democrats are disappointed because they wanted strong tea. Republicans wanted water. Big, big difference.
It has of late become fashionable and acceptable on DU to call people trolls, Republicans, liars, and worse, simply because we disagree with them. That's crap. It should stop.
It's fine to disagree. Even to strongly disagree. And to be blunt about a disagreement. But name calling is simply the refuge of a person who can't defend their ideas. This isn't grade school - either win the argument on the merits, or rethink your argument.
For the record, I'm very happy that ACA remained fundamentally intact today. ACA is terribly weak tea, but it's not water.
I just popped on to DU and I see a bevy of threads savaging folks who wanted to see ACA taken out. I saw a thread insinuating that if anyone is disappointed by today's ruling, they are likely a lunatic Republican.
Look, I disagree with Democrats who wanted ACA struck down. I understand their profound disappointment. But they are not Republicans any more than dog lovers are Nazis. Democrats are disappointed because they wanted strong tea. Republicans wanted water. Big, big difference.
It has of late become fashionable and acceptable on DU to call people trolls, Republicans, liars, and worse, simply because we disagree with them. That's crap. It should stop.
It's fine to disagree. Even to strongly disagree. And to be blunt about a disagreement. But name calling is simply the refuge of a person who can't defend their ideas. This isn't grade school - either win the argument on the merits, or rethink your argument.
Hmmm... I''m not seeing any of the things that you claim. Maybe someone else can.
As to Obama "winning" on Syria - that will go down as the moment when he lost control of the Democrats in Congress. If that vote had gone forward, it would have been a route, but not in the direction that you might want. Notice that once that vote was lost, Democrats on the Senate Banking Committee told our Democratic President to stick Larry Summers where the sun don't shine. That's not something that happens often.
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If Democrats cave now, do you *really* think things will *ever* get better? [View all]
MannyGoldstein
Sep 2013
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had it been Democrats creating aHomeland Security or TSA, they'd have screamed about the implication
Old and In the Way
Sep 2013
#108
That's a good point. This really should be something the liberals and the conservative Democrats
rhett o rick
Sep 2013
#8
I don't want my Guv-Mint negotiatin' with terrorism, especially financial terrorism aka extortion nt
99th_Monkey
Sep 2013
#11
Remember this classic BBI thread? "Why the Supreme Court Should Kill ‘Obamacare’"
joshcryer
Sep 2013
#22
Right. The Republicans are like the two-year-olds who refuse to eat healthy food
JDPriestly
Sep 2013
#25
The DEM Party is a ruse to fool the little people into thinking they have a choice.
blkmusclmachine
Sep 2013
#30
I presume you're suggesting the old saw is bullshit, not my claim that it exists ...
Scuba
Sep 2013
#91
I would hope that he would not bargain away SS either, through the deceptive chained CPI. The
sabrina 1
Sep 2013
#74
Screw the GOP. If holding the nation hostage works for them, they'll do it again and again. n/t
Mister Ed
Sep 2013
#35
The whole centrist mantra of 'bipartisan orgy room politics' has always left me cold.
Bluenorthwest
Sep 2013
#51
Things have gotten worse in this country for virtually every year I've been alive.
Romulox
Sep 2013
#58
Let's hope that the GOPiggies blink on this. If they don't it will indeed be painful for many.
R. Daneel Olivaw
Sep 2013
#62
Blackmailers never stop. Give in on this debt blackmail & get blackmailed on the next debt round. nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Sep 2013
#67
EVER is a very very long time. I think within "ever" there could be better times.
HereSince1628
Sep 2013
#86
Caving in is what got us here. Bipartisanship requires movement by both parties...
marble falls
Sep 2013
#107