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32. No the final resolution should be what the American people voted for

Tue Oct 29, 2013, 10:18 AM

Oct 2013

back in 2008, FIRE ALL BUSH PERSONNEL. Should anyone be surprised that when Republican extremists are appoint to positions of power, or LEFT in positions of power by a WINNING Dem Administration, they would NOT continue their egregious policies AND undermine a Democratic President at the same time?

Kick all these Republicans out of office, Dems didn't elect Dems to get Republicans back in power.

This should be a lesson to those who were constantly struggling to defend these Republicans left in or appointed to these powerful positions.

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C'mon people. Use your noggin. Obama knew, and approved of it. [View all] MannyGoldstein Oct 2013 OP

good point Manny. I find it very curious that no one has lost their job over the NSA mess. liberal_at_heart Oct 2013 #1

ONLY Snowden was fired and lost his job Ichingcarpenter Oct 2013 #10

very true. liberal_at_heart Oct 2013 #17

Obama should've hired him to help clean things up asap! polichick Oct 2013 #64

Snowden quit and went to Hong Kong Go Vols Oct 2013 #164

bwahahahahaaa..... i'll use your noggin, and a couple of drumsticks spanone Oct 2013 #2

lol AtomicKitten Oct 2013 #140

BA DUM TSSSHHH spanone Oct 2013 #143

LOL Scurrilous Oct 2013 #159

Afraid to lie, afraid to tell the truth. It's a tough spot. nt bemildred Oct 2013 #3

Who really gives a shit? randome Oct 2013 #4

If the President didn't know about it, it's a hell of a lot scarier. winter is coming Oct 2013 #5

So the actionable result is the knowledge of how scared we should be? randome Oct 2013 #8

I'm missing how dismissing this issue as an "internal kerfuffle" is productive. winter is coming Oct 2013 #20

Tell me why I should care. randome Oct 2013 #28

Clearly, it does register on your radar, or you wouldn't be trying so hard to minimalize it. winter is coming Oct 2013 #115

It doesn't take much effort to type out a post or two. I'm a very fast typist. randome Oct 2013 #118

+8,749 Scuba Oct 2013 #150

+ a gazillion. nt Mojorabbit Oct 2013 #167

So you were on the side of Bush/Cheney when they were caught sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #132

Of course not. randome Oct 2013 #133

No need for you to care. That's for the civic-minded among us. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2013 #136

You should not care. Don't worry your mind. morningfog Oct 2013 #152

Not exactly "dismissive". He or she actively wants all of us to be dismissive. I'm not buying it. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #60

what you're missing is understanding the latest meme Skittles Oct 2013 #158

Roses, eh? That would explain the odor of fertilizer. n/t winter is coming Oct 2013 #160

No the final resolution should be what the American people voted for sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #32

Not everything that occurs in politics needs to affect me personally for me to be outraged. randome Oct 2013 #37

OK Plucketeer Oct 2013 #51

I'm not satisfied, either. Neither am I outraged. randome Oct 2013 #53

How does that line go..... Plucketeer Oct 2013 #57

Obviously there are some things we DO need to micro-manage. randome Oct 2013 #83

Well, I'm just wary that Plucketeer Oct 2013 #101

So what? AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #62

That's my point. Why should we care HOW spy agencies spy? randome Oct 2013 #90

If you don't care, so what? Explain to us why others should not care. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #92

Already did. randome Oct 2013 #104

That explains nothing. It only lists your priorities. How selfish. This is not about you. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #113

If NSA internal antics rise above what I listed, I think you have a warped sense of priorities. randome Oct 2013 #116

This is not about you nor the things that you don't care about. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #119

Apparently your posts are about the things you DO care about. randome Oct 2013 #121

Seems to me that you are "scared" of the truth. And werent you the one saying that the rhett o rick Oct 2013 #137

Well, clearly, Obama and Alexander do, to name two. nt bemildred Oct 2013 #6

+1 Couldn't agree more! B Calm Oct 2013 #7

I'm sick of seeing Right Wingers like Alexander and Clapper hold positions sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #34

You're correct MyNameGoesHere Oct 2013 #75

There is a point where you let the machinery run itself. randome Oct 2013 #97

Sure they know what's best MyNameGoesHere Oct 2013 #103

I wish I could see your reaction in an alternate reality in which Romney won. dorkulon Oct 2013 #86

I would think the NSA would continue to spy on foreign heads of state. randome Oct 2013 #100

Can you tell me what excesses you speak of? dorkulon Oct 2013 #134

Can't find the link but Bush had the NSA spying domestically. randome Oct 2013 #148

If you didn't care, you wouldn't spend so much time telling us that you don't care. Obviously. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #122

I like debates on difficult issues. So sue me. randome Oct 2013 #123

Ah yes, the "just keep your head in the sand argument." rhett o rick Oct 2013 #135

Our Constitution does not cover Germany nor does it cover anyone outside our borders. randome Oct 2013 #141

LOL. Micro manage. Is that what you call oversight? I bet you think that banks should rhett o rick Oct 2013 #146

They monitor foreign communications. Why is this something to get upset about? randome Oct 2013 #149

Baby Bush alienated all our best allies except GB, which I guess we own. rhett o rick Oct 2013 #157

Now now, don't get a sadz over something that means nothing to you. Rex Oct 2013 #153

The media need people to spread ProSense Oct 2013 #9

You are confusing two different things tablisminster Oct 2013 #33

No, I'm not. I read the reports. n/t ProSense Oct 2013 #36

You "read the reports"? How did you do that? Aren't they classified? AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #68

LOL! News reports. ProSense Oct 2013 #72

welcome to DU gopiscrap Oct 2013 #127

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2013 #98

Bush was using the NSA for domestic spying. Obama stopped it. randome Oct 2013 #108

Manny, nobody in the White House knew where all the stuff in the briefing books came from. jsr Oct 2013 #11

Why? ... cause Obama hates America, we all know that. JoePhilly Oct 2013 #12

...and also sibelian Oct 2013 #95

Governments have always used whatever capabilities they MineralMan Oct 2013 #13

Yes, it's old news. Just move along. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #70

See, you added words to my post. MineralMan Oct 2013 #74

No. I did not add words to your post. I added words to my post. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #77

and clarified the obvious intent of that other reply. n/t Egalitarian Thug Oct 2013 #124

Wrong again. The words represent what I said. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #111

That we spy on foreigners is old news. That we spy on AMERICANS is NEWS...nt Jesus Malverde Oct 2013 #99

"We"? It is not old news that the NSA spies upon all telephone conversations. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #112

"We" as in American.. Jesus Malverde Oct 2013 #144

Spy-upon-everyone as UNAMERICAN. Saying "we" and identifying with the spy-masters doesn't excuse it. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #147

-1 GeorgeGist Oct 2013 #125

A Few thoughts Ichingcarpenter Oct 2013 #14

Feinstein is covering her ass. LuvNewcastle Oct 2013 #21

Like I said .. that's a CONSPIRACY Ichingcarpenter Oct 2013 #23

Same here. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #71

Thank you, Icarpenter FredStembottom Oct 2013 #128

Use your noggin? Do you think you're talking to children? Avalux Oct 2013 #15

Of course it's possible. And it's a possibility that I find far more worrying. n/t winter is coming Oct 2013 #27

When considering the patronizing tone of the OP you may wish to recall grantcart Oct 2013 #76

I'm not sure what I think about it. LuvNewcastle Oct 2013 #16

I agree with your assessment. Skidmore Oct 2013 #18

I just hope your post don't get Hutzpa Oct 2013 #25

I'd never heard that word was banned. I've seen others use it. LuvNewcastle Oct 2013 #35

I had a post hidden for using that exact same word Hutzpa Oct 2013 #39

Context Tom728 Oct 2013 #48

and some people enjoy being offensive noiretextatique Oct 2013 #129

It's never impossible to dislodge someone from a position. JVS Oct 2013 #29

Compartmentalization Ichingcarpenter Oct 2013 #46

Plausible deniability haikugal Oct 2013 #58

So, then did Snowden's information break the compartmentalization? KoKo Oct 2013 #89

He was able to see the big picture Ichingcarpenter Oct 2013 #109

Recommend. KoKo Oct 2013 #165

There are programs that are being run by certain organization Hutzpa Oct 2013 #19

Maybe not... iandhr Oct 2013 #22

Do I have to care? Blanks Oct 2013 #24

It doesn't look good either way. BKH70041 Oct 2013 #26

Yep. It's lose-lose. JVS Oct 2013 #31

No it does not make him look incompetent Hutzpa Oct 2013 #42

It's so important to know how MUCH to piss on the President, isn't it? randome Oct 2013 #45

Yep! forget about the government shutdown Hutzpa Oct 2013 #131

Yeah, I think that's the more accurate assessment. sibelian Oct 2013 #44

I totally disagree. Atman Oct 2013 #30

Of course, the President knew. Laelth Oct 2013 #38

Do you have proof of this? Hutzpa Oct 2013 #40

If I did have that proof, I wouldn't offer it up here. n/t Laelth Oct 2013 #50

There is proof. Snowden told him and the world. Now the question is when did he know. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #78

He's Obama. *you* couldn't possibly know if he was ticked off or not Schema Thing Oct 2013 #52

He wasn't ticked off, as far as I can tell. Laelth Oct 2013 #54

Of course he did LittleBlue Oct 2013 #41

Okay, I thought, and this is what I came up with DonViejo Oct 2013 #43

So a Vice Admiral replaces the General... Anyone have problem with this? KoKo Oct 2013 #110

Alexander was planning to retire BEFORE this hit the fan. grasswire Oct 2013 #120

All this crap just convinces me that since Cheney and Bush put this in place these Autumn Oct 2013 #47

They'll do nothing? Some politicians are going to rake in the cash. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #79

The FBI has the ability to spy on anyone. Your local police officer has this ability. randome Oct 2013 #94

Yep, but they will do nothing to stop or rein them in. Autumn Oct 2013 #105

Yep. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #114

If Bush were still in office, no one here would doubt for a second that Bush (or Pres. Cheney) knew. Marr Oct 2013 #49

If Bush were still in office, it would still be a secret. Also, ProSense Oct 2013 #55

Same as the Crook & Liar Banksters who caused our current KoKo Oct 2013 #117

I would doubt it. But from what I understood it was started under Bush direction and ended under O. vaberella Oct 2013 #162

DC bubble and plausible deniability. L0oniX Oct 2013 #56

What's next? He knew of the Bush/Cheney tortures? He knows of the forced feeding of Gitmo guests? AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #59

Oh, the all-knowing, all-seeing Manny holds forth Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #61

Lol, coming from you? Classic! nt Logical Oct 2013 #88

x2 AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #93

Nailed it...nt SidDithers Oct 2013 #102

Manny is a gawd. n/t Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #107

More often than not. vaberella Oct 2013 #163

So your argument is Obama knew because he has not fired someone who already quit. jeff47 Oct 2013 #63

Betcha many in the Intelligence Community didn't tell Obama a damn thing.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #65

I'll bet some of them still report to Cheney - that's probably how he knew... polichick Oct 2013 #69

I don't find the idea that he didn't know at all comforting BainsBane Oct 2013 #66

The reports are all over the place ProSense Oct 2013 #80

Thanks for the links BainsBane Oct 2013 #82

Under Bush they were busted snooping at the UN. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #91

? fleabiscuit Oct 2013 #67

The buck stops...somewhere else. Or, Shit Flows Downhill. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2013 #73

Snowden's revelations makes it impossible for anyone to say that Obama doesn't know. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #81

And Ollie North and Poindexter never told St. Ronnie about Iran-Contra. Fuddnik Oct 2013 #84

yep my first thought when I read Obama didn't know azurnoir Oct 2013 #87

maybe they'll release the receipts in 2034 MisterP Oct 2013 #130

They probably didnt tell Big Ron but I bet they told Nancy. You didnt want to cross Big Nance. nm rhett o rick Oct 2013 #156

Plausible deniability is an old game. DirkGently Oct 2013 #85

Yes. An old, old game. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #96

You said it all. If it was only "plausible deniability" I wouldnt be so worried. rhett o rick Oct 2013 #138

There are some dumb comments in this thread. kentuck Oct 2013 #106

+1 GeorgeGist Oct 2013 #126

I had to go back up and Rec the thread because of all the low budget spinning... bvar22 Oct 2013 #142

Have you ever been mesmerized by a murmuration of starlings? Fumesucker Oct 2013 #151

My favorite contortion so far: "Your neighbor has this ability." Dragonfli Oct 2013 #166

The NSA needs the cash to build the Starship Meshuganah MannyGoldstein Oct 2013 #168

We also need to see his garage. jsr Oct 2013 #169

While you're at it, chervilant Oct 2013 #170

I am not sure Manny. I can see the spies giving the President some data rhett o rick Oct 2013 #139

it's impossible for me to imagine.. stillcool Oct 2013 #154

+1 nt Poll_Blind Oct 2013 #145

Horse Hockey Peacetrain Oct 2013 #155

I don't think so. bvar22 Oct 2013 #171

Guess what? I don't care. 6000eliot Oct 2013 #161