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In reply to the discussion: C'mon people. Use your noggin. Obama knew, and approved of it. [View all]AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)81. Snowden's revelations makes it impossible for anyone to say that Obama doesn't know.
The two questions from such revelations are:
(1) When did he know?
(2) What is he going to do about it?
With respect to #2,
(1) he's using US assets to go after Snowden, and
(2) he is not now and is not going to go after NSA officials.
What can the defenders say?
(1) I don't care and no one else should either,
(2) other politicians have done this in the US and elsewhere,
(3) (reserved)
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C'mon people. Use your noggin. Obama knew, and approved of it. [View all]
MannyGoldstein
Oct 2013
OP
good point Manny. I find it very curious that no one has lost their job over the NSA mess.
liberal_at_heart
Oct 2013
#1
I'm missing how dismissing this issue as an "internal kerfuffle" is productive.
winter is coming
Oct 2013
#20
Clearly, it does register on your radar, or you wouldn't be trying so hard to minimalize it.
winter is coming
Oct 2013
#115
It doesn't take much effort to type out a post or two. I'm a very fast typist.
randome
Oct 2013
#118
Not exactly "dismissive". He or she actively wants all of us to be dismissive. I'm not buying it.
AnotherMcIntosh
Oct 2013
#60
Not everything that occurs in politics needs to affect me personally for me to be outraged.
randome
Oct 2013
#37
That explains nothing. It only lists your priorities. How selfish. This is not about you.
AnotherMcIntosh
Oct 2013
#113
If NSA internal antics rise above what I listed, I think you have a warped sense of priorities.
randome
Oct 2013
#116
Seems to me that you are "scared" of the truth. And werent you the one saying that the
rhett o rick
Oct 2013
#137
If you didn't care, you wouldn't spend so much time telling us that you don't care. Obviously.
AnotherMcIntosh
Oct 2013
#122
Our Constitution does not cover Germany nor does it cover anyone outside our borders.
randome
Oct 2013
#141
LOL. Micro manage. Is that what you call oversight? I bet you think that banks should
rhett o rick
Oct 2013
#146
They monitor foreign communications. Why is this something to get upset about?
randome
Oct 2013
#149
Manny, nobody in the White House knew where all the stuff in the briefing books came from.
jsr
Oct 2013
#11
That we spy on foreigners is old news. That we spy on AMERICANS is NEWS...nt
Jesus Malverde
Oct 2013
#99
"We"? It is not old news that the NSA spies upon all telephone conversations.
AnotherMcIntosh
Oct 2013
#112
Spy-upon-everyone as UNAMERICAN. Saying "we" and identifying with the spy-masters doesn't excuse it.
AnotherMcIntosh
Oct 2013
#147
Of course it's possible. And it's a possibility that I find far more worrying. n/t
winter is coming
Oct 2013
#27
There is proof. Snowden told him and the world. Now the question is when did he know.
AnotherMcIntosh
Oct 2013
#78
All this crap just convinces me that since Cheney and Bush put this in place these
Autumn
Oct 2013
#47
The FBI has the ability to spy on anyone. Your local police officer has this ability.
randome
Oct 2013
#94
If Bush were still in office, no one here would doubt for a second that Bush (or Pres. Cheney) knew.
Marr
Oct 2013
#49
I would doubt it. But from what I understood it was started under Bush direction and ended under O.
vaberella
Oct 2013
#162
What's next? He knew of the Bush/Cheney tortures? He knows of the forced feeding of Gitmo guests?
AnotherMcIntosh
Oct 2013
#59
So your argument is Obama knew because he has not fired someone who already quit.
jeff47
Oct 2013
#63
Betcha many in the Intelligence Community didn't tell Obama a damn thing....
Spitfire of ATJ
Oct 2013
#65
I'll bet some of them still report to Cheney - that's probably how he knew...
polichick
Oct 2013
#69
Snowden's revelations makes it impossible for anyone to say that Obama doesn't know.
AnotherMcIntosh
Oct 2013
#81
They probably didnt tell Big Ron but I bet they told Nancy. You didnt want to cross Big Nance. nm
rhett o rick
Oct 2013
#156
You said it all. If it was only "plausible deniability" I wouldnt be so worried.
rhett o rick
Oct 2013
#138
I had to go back up and Rec the thread because of all the low budget spinning...
bvar22
Oct 2013
#142