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loyalsister

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96. Who does the middle class blame?

Sat Nov 2, 2013, 12:05 PM

Nov 2013

Working poor and very poor. The demonization of those groups has worked since the 80s. It's easier to blame a lazy neighbor than to blame the military who saved them from terrorism. Or, their employer to whom they are loyal.
People don't want to believe they are victims.

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Is "liberal washing" at the heart of discord in the Dem party? [View all] nashville_brook Nov 2013 OP

LINO's Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #1

definitely there's some of that -- love the acronym! nashville_brook Nov 2013 #2

Because they're not Cruz/Bachmann/Palin speaking in tongues & waving the Rebel flag ... Myrina Nov 2013 #7

there's definitely a cultural liberal vs economic liberal tension emerging nashville_brook Nov 2013 #32

This. Chan790 Nov 2013 #99

In many ways the right wing Dems are more dangerous sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #104

we ignore our economic values at our own peril. nashville_brook Nov 2013 #107

The conservative corporate MSM sets up the players, like scripting a play DJ13 Nov 2013 #15

at the end of the day it's the votes that count rather than the TV appearances nashville_brook Nov 2013 #35

The result of "liberal washing" was the gradual death of the middle class. Democrats_win Nov 2013 #3

meanwhile, companies like Halliburton noiretextatique Nov 2013 #11

Literal blood money. N/t DirkGently Nov 2013 #105

eggsactly. nashville_brook Nov 2013 #74

Who does the middle class blame? loyalsister Nov 2013 #96

War is a mechanism of upward wealth redistribution. DirkGently Nov 2013 #103

Dem voters have to get a whole lot better at identifying con men and women... polichick Nov 2013 #4

i hope not too. i think we've got lots of real liberals who wouldn't sell us out. nashville_brook Nov 2013 #6

I'm not sure the party has "lots of real liberals who wouldn't sell us out"... polichick Nov 2013 #10

there's many in the progressive caucus, but a better measure is nashville_brook Nov 2013 #19

Yeah, the progressive caucus is awesome - but mostly sidelined in the party... polichick Nov 2013 #21

I agree, Polichick whathehell Nov 2013 #58

Hillary spoke to Goldman-Sachs this week for $200,000 Fee... KoKo Nov 2013 #12

same here -- i only catch Salon articles via Twitter these days. nashville_brook Nov 2013 #16

Believe me....... KoKo Nov 2013 #64

oh no... not giving up. nashville_brook Nov 2013 #77

The Clintons enjoy Pete Peterson's patronage as well. DirkGently Nov 2013 #33

OMG...Watched it and the rest of the links that went to David Gregory! KoKo Nov 2013 #66

More to the point is-- who decides? TreasonousBastard Nov 2013 #5

There are as many definitons of "Liberalism" Cryptoad Nov 2013 #56

not really. "liberalism" and "progressivism" are quite easy to define. nashville_brook Nov 2013 #92

it breaks down to class issues and culture issues nashville_brook Nov 2013 #73

That's far too theoretical... TreasonousBastard Nov 2013 #109

I'm guessing it will be the LINO's who decide. nt LWolf Nov 2013 #85

DURec leftstreet Nov 2013 #8

If icons disapoint us, perhaps it is time to become iconoclasts. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2013 #9

i'm very sympathetic to that... nashville_brook Nov 2013 #14

There is no widespread discord in the Democratic party. This is fictional bullshit geek tragedy Nov 2013 #13

i think your post right here could be a fine "Exhibit A" of discord nashville_brook Nov 2013 #22

The point is that David Sirota is not qualified to speak on behalf of geek tragedy Nov 2013 #26

you realize he was poking a stick at loyalists... and your reading of that column is nashville_brook Nov 2013 #28

Sirota has defended the Paul clan on a number of occasions. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #29

Sirota has leveled criticisms at loyalists --> does not equal support for Ron Paul nashville_brook Nov 2013 #30

No, he lavishes false praise on the Paul clan. Ron Paul is HORRIBLE geek tragedy Nov 2013 #31

yes, we ALL get that Ron Paul is a bad person. nashville_brook Nov 2013 #36

Well, we're ALL up one on Sirota then. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #40

actually, POTUS couldn't just cut SS without it coming up in Congress nashville_brook Nov 2013 #46

With Republicans controlling the House and squishy Dems like Baucus geek tragedy Nov 2013 #47

that, we agree on. :) nashville_brook Nov 2013 #51

He thinks Ron Paul is a progressive? Jamaal510 Nov 2013 #57

If you oppose drones and federal drug laws, you're like Frederick Douglas apparently nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #59

"There's no discord, so shut up you Naderite fringe loon?" DirkGently Nov 2013 #25

Seems ironic, doesn't it? But I don't think it is. I think it is exactly the pattern GoneFishin Nov 2013 #52

i hope you're right. we seem to be full of good sense nashville_brook Nov 2013 #90

Neat trick. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #17

unless we push back -- it's up to us to make sure they don't get away with it! nashville_brook Nov 2013 #93

Assuming the logic is that liberals have to go DirkGently Nov 2013 #18

and it would be nice if we could avoid the taking of hostages... nashville_brook Nov 2013 #20

And no gigantic corporate ally will fund that effort. DirkGently Nov 2013 #24

it has to come from the true grassroots: community coalitions nashville_brook Nov 2013 #78

sucker's bet reddread Nov 2013 #110

Yep, the solution is dilution. zeemike Nov 2013 #38

"veal-pen" the libs, then "bluewash" Pub policy to make it seem lefty, then have the Pubs MisterP Nov 2013 #23

"blue wash" is a much more elegant term -- love it. nashville_brook Nov 2013 #27

Bluewash...perfict. zeemike Nov 2013 #41

I think it is more class-based. Starry Messenger Nov 2013 #34

spot on. nashville_brook Nov 2013 #39

"President Obama is a socialist!" (n/t) a2liberal Nov 2013 #37

There was a shocking amount of liberal-washing for the Citizen's United decision... Blue_Tires Nov 2013 #42

expect more of that with Citizen's United 2: McKutcheon nashville_brook Nov 2013 #44

Fixing this means vetting candidates at the grass-roots level .... Scuba Nov 2013 #43

our biggest funders at the state level tend also to be DLC-y (not surprising) nashville_brook Nov 2013 #45

Comparing Cryptoad Nov 2013 #48

no one is saying that, though, are they? we're talking about identity theft... nashville_brook Nov 2013 #50

+1000. n/t GoneFishin Nov 2013 #54

There is no way of ranting about Liberal Washing Cryptoad Nov 2013 #55

I'm not sure I'm understanding what you're claiming. nashville_brook Nov 2013 #82

"Identity theft"-- good description! deurbano Nov 2013 #61

liberal washing is showering more than once daily. nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2013 #49

... nashville_brook Nov 2013 #53

What's sad is that these tactics. sendero Nov 2013 #60

Indeed... I think there are a few sincere..who are young and full of hope KoKo Nov 2013 #67

i think it's safe to assume that DU is the "inside baseball" conversation nashville_brook Nov 2013 #83

You never get better than the government you vote FOR. nt Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #62

you never get a better government that whose campaigns are fully-funded. nashville_brook Nov 2013 #94

Perhaps it would make more sense if people looked up what "liberal" means Cal Carpenter Nov 2013 #63

NAFTA was not liberal -- no one thinks that. nashville_brook Nov 2013 #95

No one except most of the world Cal Carpenter Nov 2013 #98

I agree with Sirota most of the time and I think this is spot-on. alarimer Nov 2013 #65

i like that his approach is to be anti-beltway, and write from Colorado nashville_brook Nov 2013 #76

That's why we can't vote for just any democrat. They must have a proven track record of working for liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #68

Rahm is an unmitigated disaster for the people of Chicago nashville_brook Nov 2013 #80

The day Pres. Obama chose Rahm for Chief of Staff, he showed his cards. polichick Nov 2013 #111

Yes, and we see it on this board YoungDemCA Nov 2013 #69

i didn't actually have class in mind on this, but i think that's the root of it... nashville_brook Nov 2013 #91

CAP is not a liberal organization in my book. Jim Lane Nov 2013 #70

think tank CAPture. would be nice to create a list or a ranking nashville_brook Nov 2013 #75

du rec. xchrom Nov 2013 #71

Julien Benda: "La trahison des clercs", the treason of the intellectuals. bemildred Nov 2013 #72

will have to check this out! nashville_brook Nov 2013 #89

There might be something to that. ananda Nov 2013 #79

with both Clinton and Obama, the constant/absurd attacks from the right nashville_brook Nov 2013 #81

This. ^ Next to the Ted Cruzes of the world, DirkGently Nov 2013 #86

if we had a functioning Overton Window we'd have actual policy victories nashville_brook Nov 2013 #88

In the 60s, my brother called it the "anti-establishment establishment." Eleanors38 Nov 2013 #84

i think it's a safe assumption that a good percentage of DU folk nashville_brook Nov 2013 #87

I hope so. 40 yrs. ago, activists knew when they were making concerted efforts. Eleanors38 Nov 2013 #108

Many liberals can see right through the liberal washing. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #97

as president, Bill Clinton was adept at blurring the interests of 1% vs 99% nashville_brook Nov 2013 #100

The Clintons seemed to bite on the notion DirkGently Nov 2013 #102

yes, that is the product they were selling reddread Nov 2013 #112

I was a dem since 1975 & I changed my affiliation this summer. CrispyQ Nov 2013 #101

i'm actually heartened by how many grok what's wrong with liberal washing nashville_brook Nov 2013 #106