The Clintons seemed to bite on the notion (Reply #102)

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Sat Nov 2, 2013, 11:41 AM

DirkGently (12,151 posts)

102. The Clintons seemed to bite on the notion

that we could massage and empower the largest monied interests in a way that wouldn't hurt everyone. Rising stock market floats all boats, if you will.

But a rising stock market isn't enough. They have to game the system. Inflate bubbles, burst them, rush in to pick up the pieces. Fend off all regulation. Abscond with the social safety net.

We can be friends with those interests once they get back behind the walls liberals built to contain their worst impulses in the first place.

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112 replies	Author	Time	Post
Is "liberal washing" at the heart of discord in the Dem party? [View all]	nashville_brook	Nov 2013	OP
LINO's	Puzzledtraveller	Nov 2013	#1
definitely there's some of that -- love the acronym!	nashville_brook	Nov 2013	#2
Because they're not Cruz/Bachmann/Palin speaking in tongues & waving the Rebel flag ...	Myrina	Nov 2013	#7
there's definitely a cultural liberal vs economic liberal tension emerging	nashville_brook	Nov 2013	#32
This.	Chan790	Nov 2013	#99
In many ways the right wing Dems are more dangerous	sabrina 1	Nov 2013	#104
we ignore our economic values at our own peril.	nashville_brook	Nov 2013	#107
The conservative corporate MSM sets up the players, like scripting a play	DJ13	Nov 2013	#15
at the end of the day it's the votes that count rather than the TV appearances	nashville_brook	Nov 2013	#35
The result of "liberal washing" was the gradual death of the middle class.	Democrats_win	Nov 2013	#3
meanwhile, companies like Halliburton	noiretextatique	Nov 2013	#11
Literal blood money. N/t	DirkGently	Nov 2013	#105
eggsactly.	nashville_brook	Nov 2013	#74
Who does the middle class blame?	loyalsister	Nov 2013	#96
War is a mechanism of upward wealth redistribution.	DirkGently	Nov 2013	#103
Dem voters have to get a whole lot better at identifying con men and women...	polichick	Nov 2013	#4
i hope not too. i think we've got lots of real liberals who wouldn't sell us out.	nashville_brook	Nov 2013	#6
I'm not sure the party has "lots of real liberals who wouldn't sell us out"...	polichick	Nov 2013	#10
there's many in the progressive caucus, but a better measure is	nashville_brook	Nov 2013	#19
Yeah, the progressive caucus is awesome - but mostly sidelined in the party...	polichick	Nov 2013	#21
I agree, Polichick	whathehell	Nov 2013	#58
Hillary spoke to Goldman-Sachs this week for $200,000 Fee...	KoKo	Nov 2013	#12
same here -- i only catch Salon articles via Twitter these days.	nashville_brook	Nov 2013	#16
Believe me.......	KoKo	Nov 2013	#64
oh no... not giving up.	nashville_brook	Nov 2013	#77
The Clintons enjoy Pete Peterson's patronage as well.	DirkGently	Nov 2013	#33
OMG...Watched it and the rest of the links that went to David Gregory!	KoKo	Nov 2013	#66
More to the point is-- who decides?	TreasonousBastard	Nov 2013	#5
There are as many definitons of "Liberalism"	Cryptoad	Nov 2013	#56
not really. "liberalism" and "progressivism" are quite easy to define.	nashville_brook	Nov 2013	#92
it breaks down to class issues and culture issues	nashville_brook	Nov 2013	#73
That's far too theoretical...	TreasonousBastard	Nov 2013	#109
I'm guessing it will be the LINO's who decide. nt	LWolf	Nov 2013	#85
DURec	leftstreet	Nov 2013	#8
If icons disapoint us, perhaps it is time to become iconoclasts.	Agnosticsherbet	Nov 2013	#9
i'm very sympathetic to that...	nashville_brook	Nov 2013	#14
There is no widespread discord in the Democratic party. This is fictional bullshit	geek tragedy	Nov 2013	#13
i think your post right here could be a fine "Exhibit A" of discord	nashville_brook	Nov 2013	#22
The point is that David Sirota is not qualified to speak on behalf of	geek tragedy	Nov 2013	#26
you realize he was poking a stick at loyalists... and your reading of that column is	nashville_brook	Nov 2013	#28
Sirota has defended the Paul clan on a number of occasions.	geek tragedy	Nov 2013	#29
Sirota has leveled criticisms at loyalists --> does not equal support for Ron Paul	nashville_brook	Nov 2013	#30
No, he lavishes false praise on the Paul clan. Ron Paul is HORRIBLE	geek tragedy	Nov 2013	#31
yes, we ALL get that Ron Paul is a bad person.	nashville_brook	Nov 2013	#36
Well, we're ALL up one on Sirota then.	geek tragedy	Nov 2013	#40
actually, POTUS couldn't just cut SS without it coming up in Congress	nashville_brook	Nov 2013	#46
With Republicans controlling the House and squishy Dems like Baucus	geek tragedy	Nov 2013	#47
that, we agree on. :)	nashville_brook	Nov 2013	#51
He thinks Ron Paul is a progressive?	Jamaal510	Nov 2013	#57
If you oppose drones and federal drug laws, you're like Frederick Douglas apparently nt	geek tragedy	Nov 2013	#59
"There's no discord, so shut up you Naderite fringe loon?"	DirkGently	Nov 2013	#25
Seems ironic, doesn't it? But I don't think it is. I think it is exactly the pattern	GoneFishin	Nov 2013	#52
i hope you're right. we seem to be full of good sense	nashville_brook	Nov 2013	#90
Neat trick.	AnotherMcIntosh	Nov 2013	#17
unless we push back -- it's up to us to make sure they don't get away with it!	nashville_brook	Nov 2013	#93
Assuming the logic is that liberals have to go	DirkGently	Nov 2013	#18
and it would be nice if we could avoid the taking of hostages...	nashville_brook	Nov 2013	#20
And no gigantic corporate ally will fund that effort.	DirkGently	Nov 2013	#24
it has to come from the true grassroots: community coalitions	nashville_brook	Nov 2013	#78
sucker's bet	reddread	Nov 2013	#110
Yep, the solution is dilution.	zeemike	Nov 2013	#38
"veal-pen" the libs, then "bluewash" Pub policy to make it seem lefty, then have the Pubs	MisterP	Nov 2013	#23
"blue wash" is a much more elegant term -- love it.	nashville_brook	Nov 2013	#27
Bluewash...perfict.	zeemike	Nov 2013	#41
I think it is more class-based.	Starry Messenger	Nov 2013	#34
spot on.	nashville_brook	Nov 2013	#39
"President Obama is a socialist!" (n/t)	a2liberal	Nov 2013	#37
There was a shocking amount of liberal-washing for the Citizen's United decision...	Blue_Tires	Nov 2013	#42
expect more of that with Citizen's United 2: McKutcheon	nashville_brook	Nov 2013	#44
Fixing this means vetting candidates at the grass-roots level ....	Scuba	Nov 2013	#43
our biggest funders at the state level tend also to be DLC-y (not surprising)	nashville_brook	Nov 2013	#45
Comparing	Cryptoad	Nov 2013	#48
no one is saying that, though, are they? we're talking about identity theft...	nashville_brook	Nov 2013	#50
+1000. n/t	GoneFishin	Nov 2013	#54
There is no way of ranting about Liberal Washing	Cryptoad	Nov 2013	#55
I'm not sure I'm understanding what you're claiming.	nashville_brook	Nov 2013	#82
"Identity theft"-- good description!	deurbano	Nov 2013	#61
liberal washing is showering more than once daily. nt	Bernardo de La Paz	Nov 2013	#49
...	nashville_brook	Nov 2013	#53
What's sad is that these tactics.	sendero	Nov 2013	#60
Indeed... I think there are a few sincere..who are young and full of hope	KoKo	Nov 2013	#67
i think it's safe to assume that DU is the "inside baseball" conversation	nashville_brook	Nov 2013	#83
You never get better than the government you vote FOR. nt	Demo_Chris	Nov 2013	#62
you never get a better government that whose campaigns are fully-funded.	nashville_brook	Nov 2013	#94
Perhaps it would make more sense if people looked up what "liberal" means	Cal Carpenter	Nov 2013	#63
NAFTA was not liberal -- no one thinks that.	nashville_brook	Nov 2013	#95
No one except most of the world	Cal Carpenter	Nov 2013	#98
I agree with Sirota most of the time and I think this is spot-on.	alarimer	Nov 2013	#65
i like that his approach is to be anti-beltway, and write from Colorado	nashville_brook	Nov 2013	#76
That's why we can't vote for just any democrat. They must have a proven track record of working for	liberal_at_heart	Nov 2013	#68
Rahm is an unmitigated disaster for the people of Chicago	nashville_brook	Nov 2013	#80
The day Pres. Obama chose Rahm for Chief of Staff, he showed his cards.	polichick	Nov 2013	#111
Yes, and we see it on this board	YoungDemCA	Nov 2013	#69
i didn't actually have class in mind on this, but i think that's the root of it...	nashville_brook	Nov 2013	#91
CAP is not a liberal organization in my book.	Jim Lane	Nov 2013	#70
think tank CAPture. would be nice to create a list or a ranking	nashville_brook	Nov 2013	#75
du rec.	xchrom	Nov 2013	#71
Julien Benda: "La trahison des clercs", the treason of the intellectuals.	bemildred	Nov 2013	#72
will have to check this out!	nashville_brook	Nov 2013	#89
There might be something to that.	ananda	Nov 2013	#79
with both Clinton and Obama, the constant/absurd attacks from the right	nashville_brook	Nov 2013	#81
This. ^ Next to the Ted Cruzes of the world,	DirkGently	Nov 2013	#86
if we had a functioning Overton Window we'd have actual policy victories	nashville_brook	Nov 2013	#88
In the 60s, my brother called it the "anti-establishment establishment."	Eleanors38	Nov 2013	#84
i think it's a safe assumption that a good percentage of DU folk	nashville_brook	Nov 2013	#87
I hope so. 40 yrs. ago, activists knew when they were making concerted efforts.	Eleanors38	Nov 2013	#108
Many liberals can see right through the liberal washing.	Vashta Nerada	Nov 2013	#97
as president, Bill Clinton was adept at blurring the interests of 1% vs 99%	nashville_brook	Nov 2013	#100
The Clintons seemed to bite on the notion	DirkGently	Nov 2013	#102
yes, that is the product they were selling	reddread	Nov 2013	#112
I was a dem since 1975 & I changed my affiliation this summer.	CrispyQ	Nov 2013	#101
i'm actually heartened by how many grok what's wrong with liberal washing	nashville_brook	Nov 2013	#106

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