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aikanae

(202 posts)
28. Medicare - for - All
Sun Nov 10, 2013, 12:26 AM
Nov 2013

The administration, paperwork are centralized. Everything else remains private. Doctors have one form and one address to fill out and send in. There could even be single doctor private practices again.

Right now they have hundreds to fill out. It takes 7 full time staff per one doctor. None of the insurance companies play by the same rules or play by any rules at all. Often doctors have to offer treatment without guarantee of payment even if they get an approval from the insurance. I could go on for quite awhile about how bad this system is.

One of the worst effects from having a fractured system like this is that there is no way to get data on outcomes from various treatments. Most is derived from Medicare traditional using seniors. That's it. The best health information is coming from nations with national systems and they also have more interest in long term results. As long as profit remains a higher motive, the US health care system will only see interest in short term results, only now most of the utilization standards will also be hidden and controlled by private interests.

A side effect of not having a robust public health care system is there is no way to guage the health of the population. The Mexican Flu outbreak a couple of years ago, turns out that it was identified in Mexico City (universal health care system) and the origin was probably in the US about 6 months earlier - and went unidentified. That should spook people. Without a public heath system, I'm not sure the US could contain / control / react to a serious public health crisis. I can bet that a profit insurance system wouldn't want to be left holding the bag for massive treatment or containment.

Like I said, I could go on forever about how our system sux and many of these problems could have been contained or avoided or eliminated using a single payer system.

Canada's system was developed based on the US Medicare traditional model because it was cost effective and worked. Mexico's system is also. At one time, a non-citizen could sign up for Mexican insurance for under $500/year with no citizenship requirement. Now it's over $1300/year and there's a long list of common pre-existing conditions that are not treated for non citizens.

Every health care system in the world has had to tighten up due to "illegals" infiltrating for medical care. The US had become the world's illegals when it comes to medical care. The "best medical care" in the world is not found here. Back surgery? Go to Thailand or Philippines or Hong Kong. Cancer treatment? Not in the US.

Google is your friend. If you have questions after reading this, we'd be happy to help. kestrel91316 Nov 2013 #1
not nice. just saying. Wikipedia is the LAST source for quick, concise information. For the Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2013 #26
No, asking a message board a question you can google yourself isn't nice. mattclearing Nov 2013 #32
Agree. But DU is filled with people who love to share their knowledge. nt Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2013 #38
We all support the government thru our taxes then government pays for health care brush Nov 2013 #34
It refers to one entity acting as administrator, or “payer.” In the case of health care, Agnosticsherbet Nov 2013 #2
Medicare. SharonAnn Nov 2013 #3
This is what I was going to say. Shrike47 Nov 2013 #4
Yep, it works extremely well! n/t RKP5637 Nov 2013 #7
I am a senior on Medicare.... chillfactor Nov 2013 #8
You must be in a Medicare Advantage Plan, which is probably what I wil do. Hoyt Nov 2013 #14
That is the plan my dad has ChazII Nov 2013 #22
I get it. Apparently a lot here don't. Hoyt Nov 2013 #24
Bless yr. heart. bravenak Nov 2013 #5
Medicare isn't "single payer"...the patient has significant responsibility.. pipoman Nov 2013 #17
Ha ha, yes that's very true. Loudly Nov 2013 #19
No ins company in the way. bravenak Nov 2013 #23
Unless one doesn't have the means to self insure pipoman Nov 2013 #25
Medicare Part B pays only 80% of what it covers. CTyankee Nov 2013 #40
No insurance companies Freddie Nov 2013 #6
exactly as it should be! gopiscrap Nov 2013 #20
Yes indeed. For-profit healthcare is a sick, sick system! Arugula Latte Nov 2013 #21
yes it is and so is for profit gopiscrap Nov 2013 #29
Agree. Arugula Latte Nov 2013 #33
No, that is mixing government run HC with SP BlueStreak Nov 2013 #35
Cool Galileo126 Nov 2013 #9
Actually you mean "public option" or "single payer" - they are 2 different things. n/t PoliticAverse Nov 2013 #10
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #11
Today, 30% of Medicare beneficiaries choose Medicare Advatage Plans, owned by private Hoyt Nov 2013 #15
And I see nothing at all wrong with single payer for BASIC HC BlueStreak Nov 2013 #36
There is profit involved.. pipoman Nov 2013 #16
Single payer means the government is the sole insurance company, Warpy Nov 2013 #12
rec panader0 Nov 2013 #13
Personally I'd like a socialized medicine option but I'm not holding my breath. Chan790 Nov 2013 #18
I think a public option (whatever you call it) should be next step. Hoyt Nov 2013 #27
Britain got NHS the hard way--by having its infrastructure trashed in WW II eridani Nov 2013 #39
Medicare - for - All aikanae Nov 2013 #28
In Canada, a single crown corporation in each province pays for all necessary medical procedures NoOneMan Nov 2013 #30
The options are as varied as every other "civilized" country. They have all worked it out. Other libdem4life Nov 2013 #31
I'd be happy with a system of most western european countries where a CTyankee Nov 2013 #41
I wish that phrase wasn't used TorchTheWitch Nov 2013 #37
It's basically health care without the insurance companies raking in 20% profit! B Calm Nov 2013 #42
Kestrel's link is quite accurate re single payer ConcernedCanuk Nov 2013 #43
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