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Moonwalk

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106. Why? I'm sure there are pictures of Sen. Owen Hill teaching and caring for poor kids in Africa...
Sun Nov 10, 2013, 02:26 AM
Nov 2013

How are those different from this picture of the Pope shaking hands with the disabled? Which is one very good reason why my head—for one--isn't exploding at the sight of all this Jesus like compassion for the poor and lame, and why my skepticism remains firmly in place. Sen. Owen Hill worked with poor kids in Africa. DO you think we should vote for him because he did that? I mean, I'm sure Sen. Hill was very genuine and sincere in his faith and religion when he went to Africa to help out poor kids. And I'm sure the Pope is genuine and sincere in his faith and religion in what he's doing here. But neither act convinces me that they're good leaders.

Let's see how much church money the Pope invests in changing disabled laws in Catholic countries, in making sure Catholic hospitals hand out wheelchairs and prosthetics; let's see him change the Church's stance on contraceptives or at least condoms and family planning so that parents in poor, Catholic countries can give more attention to their disabled child rather than having more children and not being able to give that special child the more attention that he/she needs and that the Pope laments they're not getting.

When/if he starts to make some real changes, then we can talk. But even then, I'm afraid that my head is in no way going to explode. It's going to stay where it's always been. Steady on my shoulders, watching and waiting and reserving judgement. Because the Catholic Church and the Popes who are the "leaders" of it have not earned my blind trust. They have a long way to go before I'm going to be convinced that either the leader of this organization or the organization itself has changed and evolved. There's been too many decades of terrible damage done by the church and its leaders for any Pope, however many pictures he takes with the poor and lame, to be given a pass by me at least. Not until he does something with his power that is very real and very tangible.

Gee. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #1
Yes, this is so controversial. rug Nov 2013 #2
You've seen all the strife Pope threads have caused in the last few days. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #4
So, you oppose or support welcoming people in wheelchairs? rug Nov 2013 #7
I'm not going to get into it. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #10
Suit yourself. Although the answer is quite simple. rug Nov 2013 #11
Should I start a thread every time you do your job? Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #13
Oooh, that would be nice. I'm drafting a will Monday. Let me know when you start the post. rug Nov 2013 #16
Do share with us what other Pope has ever done this. Thanks! nt babylonsister Nov 2013 #17
john the 23rd was awesome. I am of the opinion that when someone acts like roguevalley Nov 2013 #33
I am enjoying it too. Shaking things up. I like it. nt Mojorabbit Nov 2013 #79
Welcome to my IGNORE list CountAllVotes Nov 2013 #119
Well Said! Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #123
My hatred for the Pope is justified. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #160
Hatred of any one is not a healthy choice. No Vested Interest Nov 2013 #171
Hatred only hurts you in the end. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #189
Looks like you already did. Bobbie Jo Nov 2013 #185
Obviously a good person billhicks76 Nov 2013 #57
I'm with you, brother......................nt Enthusiast Nov 2013 #110
My son and husband are disabled. My daughter is bi. I can support what he is doing for the sick, liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #12
I hope all your loved ones are doing well. rug Nov 2013 #15
He hasn't done anything to change his own views on homosexuality. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #20
He said "who am i to judge?" MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #51
Actually he said who are you to judge chaste GLBT people. Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 #127
"all the strife"… it really is just you and maybe 3 or 4 other DU'ers. So "all" is over playing it. KittyWampus Nov 2013 #19
Discussion forums exist for people to share their opinions, do they not? Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #21
yes they are. you should address this to the person who complained about rug expressing his opinion arely staircase Nov 2013 #139
So stop reading them. 840high Nov 2013 #26
Your post is the first match Renew Deal Nov 2013 #36
rug has a history of doing this. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #81
He has a history of standing up for his beliefs. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #85
And starting problems. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #100
No. you just don't like what he says. Rug does not cause problems here. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #102
Uh huh. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #103
Well if pope threads are going to be allowed in GD now then he can post on it. I work with Rug on hrmjustin Nov 2013 #105
Well, not all Pope threads ARE allowed on GD theHandpuppet Nov 2013 #196
Ok several things. While some of the pope threads were alerted on not all were. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #197
I am not interested in posting my thread to the religious forum theHandpuppet Nov 2013 #198
You make a good point. It had had a political nature to it. I would have left it. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #199
I was interested in reading the story Dorian Gray Nov 2013 #194
It appears his beliefs violate DU's rules... Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 #128
Implying, no mattter how obliquely, that a member is a bigot is a ToS violsation. rug Nov 2013 #130
Are you like your fellow Catholic, Gman, and teach gay kids they are intrinsically disordered? Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 #134
Are you like your fellow antiCatholics and preach that Catholics are intrinsically disordered? rug Nov 2013 #137
I condemn people for the beliefs they hold, and I oppose those beliefs... Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 #140
Oh get off your high horse, blanketing hatred with principle. The hypocirisy iis stunning. rug Nov 2013 #143
What hatred? Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 #145
Lol. rug Nov 2013 #152
Being a RC violates the rules? hrmjustin Nov 2013 #169
Some of the beliefs held by the Church are a violation of some of DU's rules... Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 #173
He does not hold those beliefs. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #174
Evidence? All I see is his reactionary need to defend his church... Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 #193
I know rug, besides I am not the one making the accusation, you are. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #195
lol Bobbie Jo Nov 2013 #188
Respectfully, there are several ways you can hide pope threads. pacalo Nov 2013 #97
Lol, that last ssentence is ironic. rug Nov 2013 #132
if you don't like it then don't open it book_worm Nov 2013 #69
Why is it so important to stifle dissent about the pope? Arugula Latte Nov 2013 #101
Well, if it weren't for people who keep popping up to start shit in such threads... n/t Scootaloo Nov 2013 #163
Yeah...god forbid I stick up for LGBT rights. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #164
Now I see the problem, you think this thread is about LGBT or homophobia. A Simple Game Nov 2013 #179
... Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #180
No, this thread was about a pope that was greeting handicapped people. A Simple Game Nov 2013 #184
Okay, I'll play theHandpuppet Nov 2013 #182
So you are saying that the Catholic church has a problem with handicapped people. OK. A Simple Game Nov 2013 #186
Not exactly. theHandpuppet Nov 2013 #187
lol Iggo Nov 2013 #191
That is fantastic. I love it. liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #3
Me too. Tired of the pope haters. Courtesy Flush Nov 2013 #41
Yes, we don't agree with him 100% skepticscott Nov 2013 #64
You can answer your own question but you are doing a fine job of division. rug Nov 2013 #68
Tired of the lovers of the homophobic pope HERVEPA Nov 2013 #90
I consider this a good thing, even tho I am a big critic of the Vatican... CTyankee Nov 2013 #5
That's nice…but this is what any leader of a church should be doing…it shouldn't be big news... Tikki Nov 2013 #6
I agree. But I laud it when it does happen. rug Nov 2013 #8
So did I and it is nice…I have worked with the disabled and like us all it is amazing to.. Tikki Nov 2013 #18
But it is BIG news since so many leaders of a church don't do it. kelliekat44 Nov 2013 #77
So you're saying we should get down on our knees skepticscott Nov 2013 #82
the fact he stopped to greet each one and chat a little is what makes this clearly not a cynical PR arely staircase Nov 2013 #9
that's kind of what I was thinking kydo Nov 2013 #22
The disabled are often forgotten in our politically charged discussions LittleBlue Nov 2013 #14
Thanks for the picture rug. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #23
This is a teaching moment for all, he is living his faith and many could follow his example Thinkingabout Nov 2013 #24
And his comments about Gays as parents is following his faith and an example to follow? HERVEPA Nov 2013 #91
As you find a problem and it might be too much for you to overcome then the rest of the readers can Thinkingabout Nov 2013 #125
yes. declining to judge others is an exampe to follow. that would be the most recent thing he has arely staircase Nov 2013 #141
Sorry, only counts if he verbally and specifically reputes earlier statements. HERVEPA Nov 2013 #142
iyho nt arely staircase Nov 2013 #144
Duh, everything on this board is isho HERVEPA Nov 2013 #149
Thank you. Now run and hide. 840high Nov 2013 #25
Uh-oh!! I can see some DUer's heads exploding. madinmaryland Nov 2013 #27
Why? I'm sure there are pictures of Sen. Owen Hill teaching and caring for poor kids in Africa... Moonwalk Nov 2013 #106
Yet conservative "Christians" prefer televangelist hucksters. JEFF9K Nov 2013 #28
Seen tribes come to do almost the same thing with disabled people. Strong advocates, seldom heard. freshwest Nov 2013 #29
Oh, well, in that case, he is apparently a saint! Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 #30
These people and their families are clearly believers. He did a fine thing. nolabear Nov 2013 #31
Another well-staged photo op for the pope skepticscott Nov 2013 #32
. Dawson Leery Nov 2013 #40
Your implication is that the people in the picture are dupes or willing props. rug Nov 2013 #43
+1 cordelia Nov 2013 #52
I think he Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #34
Francis does good works... Historic NY Nov 2013 #35
When I see a crowd like that of LGBT people and they are being given communion William769 Nov 2013 #37
You don't think there are LGBT people there? rug Nov 2013 #38
Who knows. William769 Nov 2013 #39
I think there are many, and I know some, who receive Communion and there are many priests, I know 2, rug Nov 2013 #42
Sorry but I find nothing in the Catholic church interesting. William769 Nov 2013 #44
Then you're missing most of western history. rug Nov 2013 #46
Or when the pope is performing a marriage ceremony skepticscott Nov 2013 #45
Do tell, scott. What am I pretending? rug Nov 2013 #47
There are several words I could use but choose not to so I will just use one. William769 Nov 2013 #48
What's the delusion? rug Nov 2013 #50
That describes the religionists skepticscott Nov 2013 #63
Congratulations. You just called most posters in this thread, if not on DU, delusional. rug Nov 2013 #66
I would love to see that day happen. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #49
Pray a little harder, because some are trying to pray the Gay away. William769 Nov 2013 #53
I will my friend. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #55
i can totally understand your point of view on this topic. dionysus Nov 2013 #70
Nailed it... SidDithers Nov 2013 #129
Pope photo op of the day... To bad he also laments the rejection of pedophile priests Ohio Joe Nov 2013 #54
Don't forget to mention the Crusades, Giordano Bruno and Galileo while you're at it. rug Nov 2013 #56
Did you bother to read it? They fired the whistleblower last week Ohio Joe Nov 2013 #59
Yes I read it and good for him. But it is in fact a different topic. rug Nov 2013 #60
Way to act decisively... Fire the whistleblower... That will protect the kids Ohio Joe Nov 2013 #61
If you read the link, the superiors of his Order reassigned him. rug Nov 2013 #65
So... First dismiss it...Then deny it... Then ignore it... But boy oh boy does he take a good pic Ohio Joe Nov 2013 #71
The problem is I have to remove the glass from the monitor first, then wipe it off from the back. rug Nov 2013 #74
Ahhh... The old 'lets lable them as angry' bit... Do you think anyone will buy it? Ohio Joe Nov 2013 #78
I didn't say "them" and I didn't say "angry". I said "you" and I said "tired, bigoted and stupid" rug Nov 2013 #83
Yeah... Having a bit of trouble following? Ohio Joe Nov 2013 #95
Not in the least. I know where it goes after the flush. rug Nov 2013 #96
I see... We should only mention good things about him Ohio Joe Nov 2013 #104
Do you think the pope should not be supporting the disabled? sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #148
That is what you get from this? Ohio Joe Nov 2013 #153
This is a relatively new pope, the first from his part of the world. That alone is a change. sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #155
Non-sense... No more then lip service is being given to the issues Ohio Joe Nov 2013 #157
I'm happy to know how very much in the minority you are on this issue. sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #158
WTF? Ohio Joe Nov 2013 #159
Does it bother you that on an issue you claim to be so concerned about sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #170
The pope supports full rights for gays? Bullshit, plain and simple. Ohio Joe Nov 2013 #172
Now now, Ohio Joe... theHandpuppet Nov 2013 #175
And the facts are? ?? sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #176
Well, I'd say start here theHandpuppet Nov 2013 #177
Well, I'd say start here... theHandpuppet Nov 2013 #178
Not a very good attempt at avoidance, coupled with putting words into my mouth which I did not say. sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #192
Shhh! Just surrender to the PR and slobber over this pope Arugula Latte Nov 2013 #67
A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest. rug Nov 2013 #72
Yeah. You're describing yourself. Arugula Latte Nov 2013 #73
I haven't seen any slobbering. rug Nov 2013 #75
But he's a nice guy! Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #80
Francis! What an asshole! baldguy Nov 2013 #58
it matters to THEM. and that's ALL that matters. BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2013 #62
I am not a fan of organized religion. I am *really* not a fan of organized religion. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #76
He's tried to improve image, and that is all skepticscott Nov 2013 #84
Where do you see People here supporting Sexism and homophobia? hrmjustin Nov 2013 #86
Neever mind that, where are the rabid people? rug Nov 2013 #87
LOL. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #88
LOL! nt laundry_queen Nov 2013 #118
Sexism and anti-gay bigotry are skepticscott Nov 2013 #120
No one here supports that here. I understand you reasoning but we are just saying we like the hrmjustin Nov 2013 #168
What's with all the hate in this thread? geomon666 Nov 2013 #89
This has been going on for days now. Brigid Nov 2013 #92
Apparently a Pope greeting people in wheelchairs is the equivalent of pissing in cornflakes. rug Nov 2013 #93
I guess so n/t geomon666 Nov 2013 #94
People are angry at the Church in general, and with good reason. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #99
Where did all the hate skepticscott Nov 2013 #121
Apparently none of them brought enough money to be healed. xfundy Nov 2013 #98
Okay, so I have a question theHandpuppet Nov 2013 #107
Here are a couple more that accept men and women with disabilities. rug Nov 2013 #109
Maybe they need to work on being more inclusive themselves, then. theHandpuppet Nov 2013 #112
This blows my mind. Enthusiast Nov 2013 #108
Hundreds of thousands of children raped... Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #111
Probably because most people don't fall for histrionic bullshit. rug Nov 2013 #113
Good point, it's just kids and women and gays. Right? Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #114
No, it's just you. rug Nov 2013 #115
At least not as easily as they fall for a well orchestrated PR campaign theHandpuppet Nov 2013 #116
No one is falling for anything. rug Nov 2013 #117
He is a good Pope and all his church people below him need to follow his example. Sunlei Nov 2013 #122
does he have a pet or two? one would think a Pope named Francis would also love animals :) Sunlei Nov 2013 #124
The Papal PR team kicks into high gear... SidDithers Nov 2013 #126
And the hate all things Catholic team slithers out one by one . . . . rug Nov 2013 #136
Call the whambulance... SidDithers Nov 2013 #147
Here, just for you. rug Nov 2013 #151
Oh the irony! whistler162 Nov 2013 #150
Watching video of this moved me to tears Justice Nov 2013 #131
My prayers go out to those in wheel chairs polynomial Nov 2013 #133
A belated welcome to DU. rug Nov 2013 #138
In order for the women and LBGT to be heard arthritisR_US Nov 2013 #135
Well, as I pointed out earler... theHandpuppet Nov 2013 #161
That is what they are counting on with this arthritisR_US Nov 2013 #162
Yep. theHandpuppet Nov 2013 #165
I figure they hired BP's PR firm just before the arthritisR_US Nov 2013 #166
Grandstanding. Religious conservatives are primarily responsible for this rejection of the disabled. Zorra Nov 2013 #146
Not a Catholic or a practitioner of any Skidmore Nov 2013 #154
k&r... spanone Nov 2013 #156
knr Douglas Carpenter Nov 2013 #167
As a former Catholic and now an agnostic, I see this as a very big deal. A Simple Game Nov 2013 #181
Yeah, shame on me, god damn it: Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #183
I don't know why the Pope haters just don't avoid reading posts about him. Beacool Nov 2013 #190
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