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bettyellen

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26. if you were advocating for extending this right to more states, would you think it wise to

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 04:20 PM

Nov 2013

do so by saying you wanted it to be rare? How would that be effective advocacy?
If you wanted it to be readily available to those who need it nationwide- say so. Words matter.

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Physician-assisted suicide. Should it be a choice that individuals have a right to make? [View all] lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 OP

Yes and no, respectively. (nt) Posteritatis Nov 2013 #1

you are not free if you do not have freedom of your movonne Nov 2013 #57

Hence my answer. (nt) Posteritatis Nov 2013 #61

Certainly those with little hope of a decent life should have the right. Hoyt Nov 2013 #2

If we choose who then it's a privilege not a right. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #3

No. that one really bothers me. treestar Nov 2013 #4

The whole point is for people who AREN'T physically able to kill themselves LeftishBrit Nov 2013 #17

I was thinking of a couple of Dutch cases from awhile back treestar Nov 2013 #23

So you would deprive them of their choice .... oldhippie Nov 2013 #32

I'm questioning their choice treestar Nov 2013 #69

OK, fair point. Would you be ..... oldhippie Nov 2013 #84

A woman who finds out she accidentally got pregnant and has financial issues... NoOneMan Nov 2013 #85

Please see my post #63. n/t RKP5637 Nov 2013 #64

exactly. nt DesertFlower Nov 2013 #52

Did you forget the sarcasm smilie? lunatica Nov 2013 #5

Should the choice be between the individual and his or her doctor? lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #6

There has to be some kind of oversight to make sure the patient truly wants to die lunatica Nov 2013 #9

You're using the word "right" in a very ambiguous way. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #11

They have the right to their choice. lunatica Nov 2013 #24

Then I would have to ask, ..... oldhippie Nov 2013 #33

Maybe you could force them to see an ultrasound of their brain before they could go ahead NoOneMan Nov 2013 #86

Maybe you would gladly allow a depressed person to go ahead and get killed without lunatica Nov 2013 #97

I think you missed my sarcasm NoOneMan Nov 2013 #99

if you were advocating for extending this right to more states, would you think it wise to bettyellen Nov 2013 #26

Which is better advocacy? lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #36

So, you approve of the sweeping restrictions that have been placed on abortion and access to it over PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #37

Great and informative post. cui bono Nov 2013 #39

No. I'm suggesting that we might expect more of them if "fuck rare" becomes a rallying cry. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #40

for the fifteenth time, just stop repeating the mantra. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #41

Appeals to morality. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #45

ok, I understand. you don't give a shit that it's harmful. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #46

I disagree that it is more harmful than the alternative proposed. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #47

the alternative of dropping discussion of the frequency like the party platform has? PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #48

what is wrong with safe, legal and available? the issue is the ridiculous restrictions that make it bettyellen Nov 2013 #71

maybe they feel like that just don't want to go on. DesertFlower Nov 2013 #56

What do you think end-of-life morphine drips are? WinkyDink Nov 2013 #7

It's called palliative sedation n/t TexasBushwhacker Nov 2013 #55

Yes, definitely, except for simple LittleBlue Nov 2013 #8

Absolutely. To the first question. SheilaT Nov 2013 #10

I evaluate arguments by turning them around. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #12

It's kind of bullshit because it's hypothetical. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #18

IMHO it should be a choice one should be able to make. BigDemVoter Nov 2013 #13

Yes. LWolf Nov 2013 #14

Another day, another anti-woman thread. LeftyMom Nov 2013 #15

Why is this thread anti-woman? NoOneMan Nov 2013 #87

Go read the OP's lame analogy to abortion. LeftyMom Nov 2013 #95

Yeah, I just asked you to back up the accusation with an explanation NoOneMan Nov 2013 #96

Yes and yes. Gormy Cuss Nov 2013 #16

+1000 Auntie Bush Nov 2013 #30

We're seeing the PR limitations of that approach in this very thread. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #38

Actually, we don't need to frame it in terms of a minority's moral standard for others. Gormy Cuss Nov 2013 #49

I think under certain circumstances - TBF Nov 2013 #19

What is assisted suicide? alphafemale Nov 2013 #20

Physician-assisted suicide has nothing to do with abortions. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #21

i agree. nt DesertFlower Nov 2013 #59

Absolutely libodem Nov 2013 #22

Yes! Thirties Child Nov 2013 #34

... dawg Nov 2013 #25

Yes. William769 Nov 2013 #27

Absolutely yes. This is as personal choice as it gets. on point Nov 2013 #28

Is this really about abortion and a woman's right to choose? morningfog Nov 2013 #29

PAS should only be a backup to failed contraception elehhhhna Nov 2013 #31

I think it should be safe and legal. enlightenment Nov 2013 #35

We have legal physician-assisted suicide in Oregon. It is fairly rare, a few dozen a year. Shrike47 Nov 2013 #42

i saw a documentary about it. i think it DesertFlower Nov 2013 #60

It's my understanding that it's a comfort to people knowing they have a choice TexasBushwhacker Nov 2013 #62

Yet another good reason PasadenaTrudy Nov 2013 #74

Yes and yes. It should be legal, and safe. It should be rare in the sense that seeking medical liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #43

My body, my business, none of your damn business so piss off NightWatcher Nov 2013 #44

It can't be a right if a physician can't be compelled to assist. Loudly Nov 2013 #50

yes, n/a and no. eom ellenfl Nov 2013 #51

Of course it should be. NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #53

yes. i'm a member of compassion and choices DesertFlower Nov 2013 #54

"Simple, legal, and nobody else's business", is what it should be. bemildred Nov 2013 #58

Well said! +++ 1,000,000 +++ n/t RKP5637 Nov 2013 #67

Thank you. My question for them is: "Who the fuck are you to butt in?" bemildred Nov 2013 #68

For some, I think it's the authoritarian aspect. We seem to have a lot of people that RKP5637 Nov 2013 #75

I think some worry it will be misused to somehow kill people who don't want to die. bemildred Nov 2013 #78

... RKP5637 Nov 2013 #80

IMO Physician-assisted suicide be simple, legal and common for medical reasons. Some of RKP5637 Nov 2013 #63

I'm so very sorry that you and your loved ones went through that. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #65

Thank you! If people experienced this to the end with a loved one, I think they RKP5637 Nov 2013 #66

Not many agree with me, but ... LisaLynne Nov 2013 #72

That is what I was thinking as I petted and kissed my cat in my arms as we helped RKP5637 Nov 2013 #79

It truly is. LisaLynne Nov 2013 #89

It should never be simple - there should always be a thorough vetting of that being what the person treestar Nov 2013 #70

Sometimes the pain is so severe medication starts to fail. Way back I used to work in RKP5637 Nov 2013 #77

It should be legal bigwillq Nov 2013 #73

Legal and as often as needed. idwiyo Nov 2013 #76

I see zero reason for it to be rare NoOneMan Nov 2013 #81

I'm hoping the baby boomers will figure this out. nt Bonobo Nov 2013 #82

I don't know why it isn't more common, actually. Starry Messenger Nov 2013 #83

The rub would be what would doctors charge Medicare for that service? NoOneMan Nov 2013 #88

Don't know, I haven't had health coverage since the year 2001. Starry Messenger Nov 2013 #90

Sorry to hear NoOneMan Nov 2013 #91

Since I am now 43 and have tons of cancer and heart disease in my family history Starry Messenger Nov 2013 #92

Thanks for fighting the good fight there NoOneMan Nov 2013 #93

Yes, individuals should have that right. Th1onein Nov 2013 #94

Yes. nt Ruby the Liberal Nov 2013 #98