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98. Yes. nt

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Physician-assisted suicide. Should it be a choice that individuals have a right to make? [View all] lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 OP

Yes and no, respectively. (nt) Posteritatis Nov 2013 #1

you are not free if you do not have freedom of your movonne Nov 2013 #57

Hence my answer. (nt) Posteritatis Nov 2013 #61

Certainly those with little hope of a decent life should have the right. Hoyt Nov 2013 #2

If we choose who then it's a privilege not a right. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #3

No. that one really bothers me. treestar Nov 2013 #4

The whole point is for people who AREN'T physically able to kill themselves LeftishBrit Nov 2013 #17

I was thinking of a couple of Dutch cases from awhile back treestar Nov 2013 #23

So you would deprive them of their choice .... oldhippie Nov 2013 #32

I'm questioning their choice treestar Nov 2013 #69

OK, fair point. Would you be ..... oldhippie Nov 2013 #84

A woman who finds out she accidentally got pregnant and has financial issues... NoOneMan Nov 2013 #85

Please see my post #63. n/t RKP5637 Nov 2013 #64

exactly. nt DesertFlower Nov 2013 #52

Did you forget the sarcasm smilie? lunatica Nov 2013 #5

Should the choice be between the individual and his or her doctor? lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #6

There has to be some kind of oversight to make sure the patient truly wants to die lunatica Nov 2013 #9

You're using the word "right" in a very ambiguous way. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #11

They have the right to their choice. lunatica Nov 2013 #24

Then I would have to ask, ..... oldhippie Nov 2013 #33

Maybe you could force them to see an ultrasound of their brain before they could go ahead NoOneMan Nov 2013 #86

Maybe you would gladly allow a depressed person to go ahead and get killed without lunatica Nov 2013 #97

I think you missed my sarcasm NoOneMan Nov 2013 #99

if you were advocating for extending this right to more states, would you think it wise to bettyellen Nov 2013 #26

Which is better advocacy? lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #36

So, you approve of the sweeping restrictions that have been placed on abortion and access to it over PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #37

Great and informative post. cui bono Nov 2013 #39

No. I'm suggesting that we might expect more of them if "fuck rare" becomes a rallying cry. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #40

for the fifteenth time, just stop repeating the mantra. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #41

Appeals to morality. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #45

ok, I understand. you don't give a shit that it's harmful. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #46

I disagree that it is more harmful than the alternative proposed. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #47

the alternative of dropping discussion of the frequency like the party platform has? PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #48

what is wrong with safe, legal and available? the issue is the ridiculous restrictions that make it bettyellen Nov 2013 #71

maybe they feel like that just don't want to go on. DesertFlower Nov 2013 #56

What do you think end-of-life morphine drips are? WinkyDink Nov 2013 #7

It's called palliative sedation n/t TexasBushwhacker Nov 2013 #55

Yes, definitely, except for simple LittleBlue Nov 2013 #8

Absolutely. To the first question. SheilaT Nov 2013 #10

I evaluate arguments by turning them around. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #12

It's kind of bullshit because it's hypothetical. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #18

IMHO it should be a choice one should be able to make. BigDemVoter Nov 2013 #13

Yes. LWolf Nov 2013 #14

Another day, another anti-woman thread. LeftyMom Nov 2013 #15

Why is this thread anti-woman? NoOneMan Nov 2013 #87

Go read the OP's lame analogy to abortion. LeftyMom Nov 2013 #95

Yeah, I just asked you to back up the accusation with an explanation NoOneMan Nov 2013 #96

Yes and yes. Gormy Cuss Nov 2013 #16

+1000 Auntie Bush Nov 2013 #30

We're seeing the PR limitations of that approach in this very thread. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #38

Actually, we don't need to frame it in terms of a minority's moral standard for others. Gormy Cuss Nov 2013 #49

I think under certain circumstances - TBF Nov 2013 #19

What is assisted suicide? alphafemale Nov 2013 #20

Physician-assisted suicide has nothing to do with abortions. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #21

i agree. nt DesertFlower Nov 2013 #59

Absolutely libodem Nov 2013 #22

Yes! Thirties Child Nov 2013 #34

... dawg Nov 2013 #25

Yes. William769 Nov 2013 #27

Absolutely yes. This is as personal choice as it gets. on point Nov 2013 #28

Is this really about abortion and a woman's right to choose? morningfog Nov 2013 #29

PAS should only be a backup to failed contraception elehhhhna Nov 2013 #31

I think it should be safe and legal. enlightenment Nov 2013 #35

We have legal physician-assisted suicide in Oregon. It is fairly rare, a few dozen a year. Shrike47 Nov 2013 #42

i saw a documentary about it. i think it DesertFlower Nov 2013 #60

It's my understanding that it's a comfort to people knowing they have a choice TexasBushwhacker Nov 2013 #62

Yet another good reason PasadenaTrudy Nov 2013 #74

Yes and yes. It should be legal, and safe. It should be rare in the sense that seeking medical liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #43

My body, my business, none of your damn business so piss off NightWatcher Nov 2013 #44

It can't be a right if a physician can't be compelled to assist. Loudly Nov 2013 #50

yes, n/a and no. eom ellenfl Nov 2013 #51

Of course it should be. NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #53

yes. i'm a member of compassion and choices DesertFlower Nov 2013 #54

"Simple, legal, and nobody else's business", is what it should be. bemildred Nov 2013 #58

Well said! +++ 1,000,000 +++ n/t RKP5637 Nov 2013 #67

Thank you. My question for them is: "Who the fuck are you to butt in?" bemildred Nov 2013 #68

For some, I think it's the authoritarian aspect. We seem to have a lot of people that RKP5637 Nov 2013 #75

I think some worry it will be misused to somehow kill people who don't want to die. bemildred Nov 2013 #78

... RKP5637 Nov 2013 #80

IMO Physician-assisted suicide be simple, legal and common for medical reasons. Some of RKP5637 Nov 2013 #63

I'm so very sorry that you and your loved ones went through that. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #65

Thank you! If people experienced this to the end with a loved one, I think they RKP5637 Nov 2013 #66

Not many agree with me, but ... LisaLynne Nov 2013 #72

That is what I was thinking as I petted and kissed my cat in my arms as we helped RKP5637 Nov 2013 #79

It truly is. LisaLynne Nov 2013 #89

It should never be simple - there should always be a thorough vetting of that being what the person treestar Nov 2013 #70

Sometimes the pain is so severe medication starts to fail. Way back I used to work in RKP5637 Nov 2013 #77

It should be legal bigwillq Nov 2013 #73

Legal and as often as needed. idwiyo Nov 2013 #76

I see zero reason for it to be rare NoOneMan Nov 2013 #81

I'm hoping the baby boomers will figure this out. nt Bonobo Nov 2013 #82

I don't know why it isn't more common, actually. Starry Messenger Nov 2013 #83

The rub would be what would doctors charge Medicare for that service? NoOneMan Nov 2013 #88

Don't know, I haven't had health coverage since the year 2001. Starry Messenger Nov 2013 #90

Sorry to hear NoOneMan Nov 2013 #91

Since I am now 43 and have tons of cancer and heart disease in my family history Starry Messenger Nov 2013 #92

Thanks for fighting the good fight there NoOneMan Nov 2013 #93

Yes, individuals should have that right. Th1onein Nov 2013 #94

Yes. nt Ruby the Liberal Nov 2013 #98