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magical thyme

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2. what goes around comes around...

Sun Nov 24, 2013, 01:19 PM

Nov 2013

"America must share the blame, here, for installing and propping-up the Shah as a bulwark against the Soviet Union. In many ways, we caused Iran's Islamic revolution."

In other words, we shot ourselves in the foot.

I don't blame Iran for our ending up with Reagan. I blame us.

How many innocent people need to suffer the sanctions and for how long before we've punished them enough for taking hostages in retaliation for our dictating their leadership?

It is past time to move forward.

"Perhaps that message has been received"

And perhaps *we* have received a message as well.

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Remember this: Iran gave us Ronald Reagan. [View all] Laelth Nov 2013 OP

I don't think it was Iran's intention Turbineguy Nov 2013 #1

You sure? zbdent Nov 2013 #3

I meant when they took the hostages. Turbineguy Nov 2013 #11

So was I ... zbdent Nov 2013 #46

It's tricky to place blame, I admit. Laelth Nov 2013 #47

what goes around comes around... magical thyme Nov 2013 #2

This. Skidmore Nov 2013 #4

+1 JHB Nov 2013 #5

I think I covered our complicity in the OP. Laelth Nov 2013 #48

I still blame us. We had no business propping up the Shah. magical thyme Nov 2013 #50

Like you, I am quite glad their current administration decided to pursue peace. Laelth Nov 2013 #54

CIA loyalty questioned at the time... Octafish Nov 2013 #6

...35 years ago.... n/t TroglodyteScholar Nov 2013 #7

Thanks for the response. Laelth Nov 2013 #49

Well, I did leave quite a bit to be inferred TroglodyteScholar Nov 2013 #52

On the other hand, it is ironic that we are allied with the sponsors of Sunni terrorism FarCenter Nov 2013 #8

As far as responsibility for a terrible leader in the other's country NuclearDem Nov 2013 #9

I also don't see the reason for any hate towards Iran. polly7 Nov 2013 #16

Reagan returned the favor by serving up 240 Marines as sitting ducks for a truck bomb geek tragedy Nov 2013 #10

Iran's Islamic Revolution gave us Reagan. Iggo Nov 2013 #12

scary reminder of our past. Sheri Nov 2013 #13

"I blame Iran." That's just stupid. I blame the CIA. So there. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #14

Iran allied itself with the Republican Party in 1980/81. Laelth Nov 2013 #15

Blaming Iran for Reagan is like blaming Nader for Bush. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #17

Crabbed? Cool word. Laelth Nov 2013 #18

A lot of the mess that was Iran and the oil crisis at the time was set in place before Carter... cascadiance Nov 2013 #30

There was no world wide web in 1981. BumRushDaShow Nov 2013 #19

Why did the CIA overthrow Iran's leftist prez? (Excuse my ignorance re this.) polichick Nov 2013 #20

He nationalized the oil industry. n/t Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #21

Quite true. Laelth Nov 2013 #22

Okay, you admit we overthrew their elected government for imperialist reasons... Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #25

I said we installed the Shah in the OP. Laelth Nov 2013 #37

No coup, no revolution. No revolution, no hostage crisis. solarhydrocan Nov 2013 #44

This message was self-deleted by its author polichick Nov 2013 #24

must see free HULU documentary will answer all questions solarhydrocan Nov 2013 #40

No wonder Eisenhower warned us about the mic... polichick Nov 2013 #45

Exactly .... tweeternik Nov 2013 #29

Gee, maybe we shouldn't have forcibly installed the former Shah. WinkyDink Nov 2013 #23

Carter deserves a lot of the blame for his handling of the mess. Drunken Irishman Nov 2013 #26

I don't recall thinking that at the time. Laelth Nov 2013 #35

And we gave them Shah Reza Scootaloo Nov 2013 #27

Why, thank you. Laelth Nov 2013 #36

Whatever. Your opinions lack the backing of fact Scootaloo Nov 2013 #38

You do know what the Shah was all about, don't you? Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #42

OP US centric malletgirl02 Nov 2013 #43

It's hard to blame just one entity in this mess... Hell, we could perhaps blame BP the most! cascadiance Nov 2013 #28

That's an excellent post, and I am happy to let it stand without comment. Laelth Nov 2013 #57

And I want to add one more item that is positive for Iran's new generation. More educated women! cascadiance Nov 2013 #61

How many of the hostages did Iran kill?: zero cpwm17 Nov 2013 #31

Good post. AverageJoe90 Nov 2013 #32

Great post. Thanks. Laelth Nov 2013 #33

It was obvious to me from the very moment I started looking into it. AverageJoe90 Nov 2013 #34

remember: reagan sold arms illegally to iran and funneled the money to the contras spanone Nov 2013 #39

Hear, hear! n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #51

an act that would have a Democrat impeached & imprisoned. spanone Nov 2013 #56

There was more to it than that Major Nikon Nov 2013 #41

Could you elaborate on this part?: A-Schwarzenegger Nov 2013 #53

don't foget, that Reagan's staff stole stole the debate plan book from Carter gopiscrap Nov 2013 #55

i blame ted koppel + nightline. pansypoo53219 Nov 2013 #58

American addiction to fake cowboy machismo gave us both Iran and Reagan. Orsino Nov 2013 #59

Way too many generalizations... Xolodno Nov 2013 #60