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56. As I was saying, for centuries and centuries average human lifespan...
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 08:39 PM
Feb 2014

...has been miserable by modern standards, only 30-40 years as recently as two centuries ago.

When considering what's "natural" or not, please realize that long, healthy lives well into our 70s, 80s, and even 90s, is a wonderfully unnatural thing, not a realization of any basic nature. Our longest lifespans have corresponded with our creation of an increasingly unnatural environment. This is hardly to say that everything modern is healthy -- far from it -- but that, on the whole, the negative aspects of modern life that are mixed in with the positive ones can't be all that hugely bad if they haven't even come close to negating the gains.

If specifically apples harbor no worries in long term use, many other things from bananas to zucchini might. Or they might all be perfectly safe in normal use, but if you tested them the way artificial additives are tested, in huge doses and unrealistic concentrations, the same fears could arise.

The only advantage it makes sense that so-called "natural" foods would intrinsically have (once you jettison the mystical appeal of "nature&quot is that they perhaps have a slight edge in being more like what our bodies have evolved to tolerate. Two things diminish that edge: (1) A far wider variety of foods drawn from all over the globe are now part of our diet, as well as many new pre-GMO foods derived from selective breeding, making even a diet composed purely of "natural" products far more different and diverse than what human evolution has had time to significantly adapt, and (2) Since very few humans have ever lived and reproduced beyond their thirties, or even their twenties, during most of human evolution, there has been little significant selective pressure from what we'd now call "long-term effects".

We are addicted to food. Slaves to our cravings. randome Feb 2014 #1
Thanks for your response! HuckleB Feb 2014 #2
It's really been a strange trip for me. randome Feb 2014 #4
Good luck! HuckleB Feb 2014 #6
In a sense, yes. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2014 #3
I think of it in the same sense that morphine is necessary sometimes. randome Feb 2014 #5
I for one welcome our popcorn overlords yuiyoshida Feb 2014 #7
That's probably where Pucca gets all her energy from! randome Feb 2014 #8
Yup... yuiyoshida Feb 2014 #9
So long as you don't end up like Orville, I'm sure you'll be fine! randome Feb 2014 #14
Well ya know, they say yuiyoshida Feb 2014 #15
Mmmmm, popcorn Art_from_Ark Feb 2014 #38
do what i do.. yuiyoshida Feb 2014 #40
I'd like to try your method Art_from_Ark Feb 2014 #44
seriously, no paper bags? yuiyoshida Feb 2014 #49
There are lots of paper bags in Japan, of course, Art_from_Ark Feb 2014 #50
Well, I tried that method, and guess what? Art_from_Ark Mar 2014 #62
Thats amazing... yuiyoshida Mar 2014 #63
I didn't put any oil in the paper bag Art_from_Ark Mar 2014 #64
Outstanding! Yes... yuiyoshida Mar 2014 #65
My microwave wasn't quite that bad Art_from_Ark Mar 2014 #66
You could be right, Wilbur sure to keep a eye on the poster. whistler162 Feb 2014 #16
"addicted to food"? Is that like being addicted to air and water? WinkyDink Feb 2014 #21
Some people eat to feel better. Archae Feb 2014 #39
I've lost 85 lbs, and without a puritanical approach. Silent3 Feb 2014 #30
This generally matches my approach FreeJoe Feb 2014 #45
I'll admit to being a multiple substance abuser eridani Feb 2014 #41
People need to get past eating like a bird JJChambers Feb 2014 #10
Past a certain age, it's not necessarily that easy to lose weight, but... HuckleB Feb 2014 #11
Ha! Last time I heard that my mother's wisecrack was, "I eat like a bird. A vulture." WinkyDink Feb 2014 #22
That's the way I was. Never was overwait 'till I was, about 30. demosincebirth Feb 2014 #53
I was an early achiever. ;-) WinkyDink Feb 2014 #57
Respectfully disagree. H2O Man Feb 2014 #12
I don't know what that means, but it sounds like you had a good time. HuckleB Feb 2014 #13
Thats an interesting site flying rabbit Feb 2014 #17
It's not my favorite site, but this piece seemed worthy. HuckleB Feb 2014 #18
In this country there's this weird inclination SheilaT Feb 2014 #19
I'm afraid that distinction you're making between "fake" and "real"... Silent3 Feb 2014 #31
I'm defining real food as that SheilaT Feb 2014 #35
What's automatically, intrinsically bad about a mix? Silent3 Feb 2014 #36
I have found I can taste the artificial stuff in the mixes SheilaT Feb 2014 #37
What's wrong with preservatives? sendero Feb 2014 #43
If you did a chemical analysis of what's in an apple... Silent3 Feb 2014 #48
Yes.. sendero Feb 2014 #51
And for centuries and centuries average human lifespan... Silent3 Feb 2014 #54
As I was saying, for centuries and centuries average human lifespan... Silent3 Feb 2014 #56
For a 7th graders term paper, this was a great read. flvegan Feb 2014 #20
You're so cool! HuckleB Feb 2014 #27
So...nothing else, then? flvegan Feb 2014 #32
DUmb whatchamacallit Feb 2014 #23
If it keeps pushing anti-science, you might be right. HuckleB Feb 2014 #24
Shouldn't you be doing your thing in this post? whatchamacallit Feb 2014 #25
Name that logical fallacy. HuckleB Feb 2014 #26
Lol whatchamacallit Feb 2014 #28
Derpity. Derp. Derp. Derp. HuckleB Feb 2014 #29
This is very true-- the whole "clean eating" thing isn't necessary. Marr Feb 2014 #33
Take out more calories than you put in. TheMathieu Feb 2014 #34
Not possible. Take out calories and your body adjusts itself to need even fewer eridani Feb 2014 #42
Spot on. n/t Laelth Feb 2014 #55
While I agree with the anti-anti science thing, this is not a good article. DanTex Feb 2014 #46
The author does go on to talk about the difference between nutrient dense... Silent3 Feb 2014 #47
... DanTex Feb 2014 #58
Eating is a must, over eating is an addiction. For years, since I was a kid, the more you ate the demosincebirth Feb 2014 #52
I just know what works for me madville Feb 2014 #59
Absolutely! Also, climate change is a librul myth, and smoking 2 packs a day is good for kids! Zorra Feb 2014 #60
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