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60. As a Vietnam-era veteran I vote No WAR WITH RUSSIA

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 06:42 PM

Mar 2014

Send troops to Ukraine? I remember Democrats like Senator Scoop Jackson (i.e. the senator from Boeing) who never saw a war he didn't like, but after decades and billions of dollars wasted on Iraq and Afghanistan now you want to start another one with Russia? No way man.

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Ukraine has a right to determine its own future. If Russia uses force, the US should also. [View all] BrentWil Mar 2014 OP

Is the crimea historically a part of Ukraine? Democracyinkind Mar 2014 #1

Well.... Adrahil Mar 2014 #64

Yes, as much as it is about pushing western power to Russia's doorstep. nt Democracyinkind Mar 2014 #83

Which Ukraine has that right? nt kelliekat44 Mar 2014 #138

Not military force. Throd Mar 2014 #2

Only if you and everyone in your family is willing to enlist Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2014 #3

Its a complex situation for Ukraine to figure out. BrentWil Mar 2014 #8

Yes, it's simple. Do not go to war over Ukraine. Period. FUCK NO> cali Mar 2014 #17

So Russia gets to invade and have no response from no one? BrentWil Mar 2014 #22

Why yes, essentially. Just like there was no response when the U.S cali Mar 2014 #26

What you said... times 100.... nt Bigmack Mar 2014 #57

What you said. +1 eom Purveyor Mar 2014 #78

And Iraq and Afghanistan and Panama and Vietnam Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2014 #88

...^ 840high Mar 2014 #131

This message was self-deleted by its author smokey775 Mar 2014 #128

Exactly! Nt newfie11 Mar 2014 #40

That is madness. stevenleser Mar 2014 #4

Tell that to Russia... NT BrentWil Mar 2014 #23

We won't--we didn't in the Georgia situation. TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #5

We didn't have a treaty with Georgia that I know of. NT Adrahil Mar 2014 #66

I think that Budapest thing was an agreement, not a treaty-- TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #72

That would be the U.S. determining Ukraine's future. 1000words Mar 2014 #6

So us doing something that stops Russia from intervening is that? What world do you live in? NT BrentWil Mar 2014 #20

A world that understands proxy wars are a losing proposition for all 1000words Mar 2014 #34

Interesting it's from "Radio Free Europe." KoKo Mar 2014 #7

the mighty wurlitzer in action. nt Democracyinkind Mar 2014 #9

I simple used it as a reference to the Budapest Memorandum BrentWil Mar 2014 #11

And Irish Times... BrentWil Mar 2014 #16

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! n/t malaise Mar 2014 #19

In situations such as this, I always ask myself Loudly Mar 2014 #10

Collaborate with Nazis? NT BrentWil Mar 2014 #18

According to Wikipedia, Sweden navigated that dangerous era Loudly Mar 2014 #69

Yeah is you like money form Nazi's and not standing BrentWil Mar 2014 #76

Well I sure wouldn't want to point to Switzerland as the model of neutrality. Loudly Mar 2014 #85

Sweden did more good by not getting into a losing fight than they would have by getting stomped. JVS Mar 2014 #110

By good, do you mean profit? NT BrentWil Mar 2014 #120

Sweden's collaboration pales in comparison to Finland. JVS Mar 2014 #109

Finland fought against Russia as part of the axis, only to later turn against Germany and fight... BrentWil Mar 2014 #112

Yeah, they collaborated. Helping starve Leningrad was really shitty of them. JVS Mar 2014 #113

all DUers who believe this are welcome to go "over there" and make it so, right? nt msongs Mar 2014 #12

I'm against military action, but that is a ridiculous argument everytime you make it. stevenleser Mar 2014 #97

Actually, it should. It is soooo much easier to advocate war over there Cheese4TheRat Mar 2014 #140

Nope lostincalifornia Mar 2014 #13

What???? That's just insane. cali Mar 2014 #14

That just goes to show it's always something. nt tblue37 Mar 2014 #15

The government in Kyiv stupidly revoked Russian language as a second official language FarCenter Mar 2014 #21

And that is justification for a Russian invasion? BrentWil Mar 2014 #25

Ukrainian was the only official language until that idiot Yanukovych pushed for Russian in 2012. SunSeeker Mar 2014 #129

Before independence Ukraine was bilingual FarCenter Mar 2014 #135

Before independence, which was only in 1991, Russians quashed use of Ukrainian. SunSeeker Mar 2014 #136

Have you learned nothing from the last 13 years in Afghanistan? LittleBlue Mar 2014 #24

What about the 20 million in Russia that don't speak Russian? Do they get to vote and leave also? BrentWil Mar 2014 #27

They get a vote like everyone else LittleBlue Mar 2014 #31

And Force solves some things... BrentWil Mar 2014 #28

Of course there are. They'll probably win the next election. Democracyinkind Mar 2014 #30

Did the Nazis have a nuclear arsenal? LittleBlue Mar 2014 #33

so paint us the scenario. How does our sending military forces cali Mar 2014 #35

I imagine the threat would be enough to stop Russian intervention... BrentWil Mar 2014 #45

lol. really? you imagine that? well, gee. how fucking reassuring. cali Mar 2014 #46

Force solves all sorts of things... Lost_Count Mar 2014 #133

Well you go right ahead and do that jberryhill Mar 2014 #29

The North Korean people have a right to be free. Rex Mar 2014 #32

I agree. Hopefully they will be one day... BrentWil Mar 2014 #49

So why are we just sitting there on the border waiting then? Rex Mar 2014 #50

If all the individuals in N Korea one day stood up to their government and tried to overthrow the okaawhatever Mar 2014 #124

We should help, I think it is our moral obligation. Rex Mar 2014 #132

Land War with Russia, always a great idea! Never out of style! Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #36

thread win! cali Mar 2014 #39

No kidding. Just as Afghanistan is the "graveyard of empires," the Russian Winter WILL kill invaders Hekate Mar 2014 #55

Let's see. Napoleon tried and failed. Hitler tried and failed. Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #89

They were amateurs. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #95

Two groups have ever captured and held Russia. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #107

Why would you want to capture Russia? BrentWil Mar 2014 #118

Land war *in* Russia -- even worse idea. Brigid Mar 2014 #106

Have some of you folks lost your goddamned minds? alcibiades_mystery Mar 2014 #37

Well, they recently spoke of cutting the defense budget. arcane1 Mar 2014 #44

Ukraine has a right to self-determination, and by god the Russians and the US will show them how! Iggo Mar 2014 #38

Preventing another from interfering is not the same as interfering. They are asking for our aid... BrentWil Mar 2014 #47

This message was self-deleted by its author Iggo Mar 2014 #52

By the way, which side will Edward Snowden fight for? TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #41

Oh come on...that was uncalled for...n/t KoKo Mar 2014 #65

Srsly, though--we should offer him some sort of deal to come home. TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #70

Benghazi!!! GeorgeGist Mar 2014 #126

Sorry, I decline .... oldhippie Mar 2014 #42

As a 36 yr old vet who is totally & permantly disabled giftedgirl77 Mar 2014 #43

Thank you for the voice of bitter experience Hekate Mar 2014 #56

Thank you for your service. Safety to your husband. Peace to all. libdem4life Mar 2014 #108

.... giftedgirl77 Mar 2014 #121

You should lead the way. bravenak Mar 2014 #48

Get your rifle and go on over steve2470 Mar 2014 #51

Why us? Why OUR Army and Air Force? Do we really need to intervene AGAIN? Hekate Mar 2014 #53

please tell me you're joking Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #54

Only madmen and fools would offer such an idea Vinnie From Indy Mar 2014 #58

Bismarck had the right of it... Bigmack Mar 2014 #59

As a Vietnam-era veteran I vote No WAR WITH RUSSIA OutNow Mar 2014 #60

Hawaii has a right to determine its own future. Cartoonist Mar 2014 #61

we shouldn't and we won't. nt arely staircase Mar 2014 #62

"the US should also" Who the fuck said that? L0oniX Mar 2014 #63

OMFheaddesk. nt laundry_queen Mar 2014 #67

if you are actually serious and you honestly think war with Russia as a response to possible Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #68

Cool-- so when do you ship out? Marr Mar 2014 #71

Not important to the debate.... But BrentWil Mar 2014 #73

Is that what the talk shows on Armed Forces Radio are saying Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2014 #92

Don't listen to it. BrentWil Mar 2014 #93

We dare not fall victim to one of the classic blunders- flying rabbit Mar 2014 #74

Deal. Lets nuke the hell out of each other. LisaL Mar 2014 #75

Are you willing to sign up or have your family sign up or do you doc03 Mar 2014 #77

It is not our business, it is NATO's larkrake Mar 2014 #79

Step away from the Risk board! TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #80

Sorry, apparently somebody does not understand spheres of influence. longship Mar 2014 #81

+1 nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #84

We have enough problems in the United States. jsr Mar 2014 #82

Russia has been invited in by the democratically elected gov of Crimea, and Leader of the Ukraine. Wet Willie Mar 2014 #86

Really? BrentWil Mar 2014 #91

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2014 #103

And you will enlist immediately, MineralMan Mar 2014 #87

We can't afford it. Brigid Mar 2014 #90

Oh bullshit. rug Mar 2014 #94

This is none of our concern. We'd do the same if pro-Russians toppled the Canadian government... nt Arrowhead2k1 Mar 2014 #96

I'm sorry, you're not ACTUALLY suggesting a shooting war with Russia are you? NuclearDem Mar 2014 #98

I am suggesting we should be willing to, along with the EU and NATO BrentWil Mar 2014 #99

You're aware Russia has nuclear weapons right? NuclearDem Mar 2014 #100

OK, that's one vote for full out nuclear conflict. SolutionisSolidarity Mar 2014 #101

exactly nt steve2470 Mar 2014 #105

How soon we forget... pinboy3niner Mar 2014 #102

bear with me here steve2470 Mar 2014 #104

lolwut? dionysus Mar 2014 #111

On the plus side, it'd be our last war. But the downside is that there'll be no one neverforget Mar 2014 #114

A Russian intelligence vessel docked in Havana a few days ago. karadax Mar 2014 #115

One recommendation. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #116

This was probably agreed to behind doors of secrecy. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #117

Erect bogeyman, wave flag, give more money to the MIC, send in the troops..or bombers. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #119

That is totally fucked up lillypaddle Mar 2014 #122

While Ukraine has a right to determine its own future, WTF does US have to do with it? LisaL Mar 2014 #123

A memorandum isn't a treaty. n/t GP6971 Mar 2014 #125

How? CanonRay Mar 2014 #127

LOL - Is this our daily dose of insanity? Vinnie From Indy Mar 2014 #130

No Autumn Mar 2014 #134

OFFS What utter bullshit. Who in the hell is running rferi now? L0oniX Mar 2014 #137

Good luck with that wishful thinking frwrfpos Mar 2014 #139

The Army recruiting office is that way... --> backscatter712 Mar 2014 #141