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In reply to the discussion: Does the Big Bang breakthrough offer proof of God? [View all]politicman
(710 posts)Ok, I read your post where you claimed that something can come from nothing, and you do make some good points that can be supported by math.
BUT unfortunately math alone does not mean it is the explanation.
I am ready right now, right here to renounce my beliefs (seriously) if you or anyone in the scientific community can show me an experiment that produces something from nothing.
(Please keep in mind that I am asking for something from absolutely nothing, not the particles and atoms that currently we are made and are all around us, but something that doesn't exist at the moment that you can conjure up from nothing)
I see people every day that look at magicians that pluck rabbits from empty hats, and those people would swear that it was magic because they could not find an explanation for the trick, that the magician plucked the rabbit from thin air. Now I don't believe that as I know that it is an illusion and the rabbit actually came from some where.
So I ask you, if I were to show you a magician pluck something from thin air, would you believe that he actually produced something that didn't exist, or would you believe that the rabbit always existed but there was an explanation behind the trick.
The same applies to the start of our universe. Am I to believe that something came from nothing just because scientists cannot come up with a credible explanation of where it came from, or do I apply the same logic that I apply to the magician and say there is an explanation as to why the energy that formed the big bang came into existence and didn't just appear out of nothing.
You probably would counter with an explanation that space has its own laws, that something can actually come from nothing with the laws of space which have energy, particles, negative energy and protons and what not, but we are humans, we think in human terms, so unless you can come up with experiment that I can see my own eyes of how particles and energy etc, can create something (an especially something the size of the universe) from nothing, I think I will stick to the higher being theory.
I am not being purposefully dumb, its just that the explanation that scientist have come up with to support their theory relies on something they cannot re-create to prove to us believers that they are right.
I mean surely if the scientists truly understand how the universe was created, then they would know the particles and such that they could manipulate to create water in outer space, after all according to them the elements that create water came from space initially and apparently they know the process.
So could scientists use the elements of water that must still be floating in space and the process they figured out of how water came to be, to make rivers and oceans on mars for instance?
Or were these elements only present on comets that they think transferred them to Earth a long time ago?