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Donald Ian Rankin

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35. The median is the income of the middle person.
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 04:12 PM
Apr 2014

Suppose I have 21 people, with varying incomes.

Then the median is the income of the 11th-richest.

The incomes of the poorest 10 and the richest 10 don't have any direct effect on the median, even if they go up or down, except that if one of them crosses that middle income then the person who was 11th richest is now 10th or 12th, someone else is now the 11th richest, and so the median is now their income.

In some ways it's a more useful measure than the mean (that is, the sum of all the incomes divided by the number of people) - if I have 20 people earning $20,000 and one earning $20,000,000,000 then the median is $20,000 while the mean is $1,000,000,000, and the median probably gives you a better guess as to what life is like for most people.

But all it tells you about is the middle person - the people poorer than them could be a little poorer or a lot poorer, the people richer than them could be a little richer or a lot richer, but the median will still just be their income.

In the face of these wage declines, why is the primary concern what people think of Obama? cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #1
The OP is about both policy and political reality. DanTex Apr 2014 #2
MUST PROTECT OBAMA Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #3
That explains much Fumesucker Apr 2014 #5
S'rly Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #8
it's ODS Skittles Apr 2014 #47
MUST PROTECT FACTS. ProSense Apr 2014 #6
What "wage declines"? ProSense Apr 2014 #4
You are intentionally using figures unadjusted for inflation??? cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #14
"Adjusted for inflation, they were up 1.2% MoM and 2.4% YoY." ProSense Apr 2014 #18
Why do you say that when ProSense provided a chart with both real and nominal figures? stevenleser Apr 2014 #21
Prosense is referring to a trend in the last month/year, which is small in comparison to what is DireStrike Apr 2014 #53
Nonsense. The trend has been upward for the last three years. The chart shows that. n/t ProSense Apr 2014 #56
Yes, if you squint really hard you can see a very minor increase in real wages DireStrike Apr 2014 #58
I think the problem that many have.... NCTraveler Apr 2014 #7
Disagree, and ProSense Apr 2014 #9
I get that you disagree. NCTraveler Apr 2014 #10
Well, ProSense Apr 2014 #11
"...I expected dismissal, and your comment flies in the face of the reality." NCTraveler Apr 2014 #13
I most ProSense Apr 2014 #17
Prosense, you have not come close to making the case that this is fundamental and structural change. NCTraveler Apr 2014 #22
Pure nonsense ProSense Apr 2014 #26
How is it fundamental and structural change to the economy? NCTraveler Apr 2014 #27
What the hell? ProSense Apr 2014 #28
Nonsense. NCTraveler Apr 2014 #30
You really ProSense Apr 2014 #33
You're Just Being Obstinate ProfessorGAC Apr 2014 #40
A couple of things. NCTraveler Apr 2014 #45
It's not ProSense Apr 2014 #49
Where Do I Stand? ProfessorGAC Apr 2014 #60
Well, I'm not sure what you mean by "fundamental and structural change". DanTex Apr 2014 #36
"it seems more like vague generalities rather than specific policy objections" NCTraveler Apr 2014 #38
I agree with a lot of what you say. DanTex Apr 2014 #50
The baseline needs to be the crash of 2008. CJCRANE Apr 2014 #12
Raising the minimum wage won't have any effect on the median income, will it? Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2014 #15
Not really. Increasing the minimum wage improves the safety net, but doesn't help most of us. reformist2 Apr 2014 #19
see my post right below cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #24
Good point. But I don't think 50% of workers are making $10 or less. Maybe 25-30% of workers. reformist2 Apr 2014 #25
Yes, the pressure from the artificial floor should decrease somewhat as you go up, but cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #31
Surely it would shift the median line to the right? CJCRANE Apr 2014 #20
I don't believe so. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2014 #32
I'm not a statistician but that doesn't make sense to me. CJCRANE Apr 2014 #34
The median is the income of the middle person. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2014 #35
I think it's the middle value, not the middle person. CJCRANE Apr 2014 #37
The middle value is the value of the middle person. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2014 #41
If you have 300 million people then the middle person is #150 million. CJCRANE Apr 2014 #43
And the median income is that person's income. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2014 #46
OK, as per my edit above I think you are right on that point CJCRANE Apr 2014 #48
It will affect more than 50% of wages, surely. Arguably 100%. cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #23
As cthulu pointed out, it would likely have indirect impact on wages beyond just DanTex Apr 2014 #57
Proud to be the first to rec this. Obama has fought HARD for the minimum wage Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 #16
Even with median income going up, everything you listed should happen. randome Apr 2014 #29
And here I thought this was going to be a thread about issues Marrah_G Apr 2014 #39
Short Fuse? ProfessorGAC Apr 2014 #42
Not just this one Marrah_G Apr 2014 #44
they're getting worse, aren't they? Skittles Apr 2014 #51
Yes Marrah_G Apr 2014 #52
It's unfortunate that you are going to ignore me instead of engaging. DanTex Apr 2014 #55
she, as am I, is simply fed up with it Skittles Apr 2014 #59
k&r n/t RainDog Apr 2014 #54
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