wrong numbers are wrong numbers. simply that. ncvs numbers are wrong. so we have NO numbers. (Reply #20)

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seabeyond (110,159 posts)

20. wrong numbers are wrong numbers. simply that. ncvs numbers are wrong. so we have NO numbers.

we do not use wrong numbers cause we do not have our right numbers. that is not logical. that does not make sense. and surely, that is the characteristic of man.... that women lack right? being logical. and not hysterical.

wrong numbers are simply that.... wrong.

i was right about fbi. cause they are obviously wrong. years of being attacked by men on du, holding up the fbi numbers and telling me to CELEBRATE the amazingly, totally awesome, significant reduction of rape. as i listen to my girls and womens rape stories.

it was bullshit. we women knew it was bullshit. and we were being snarked at, scorned, ridiculed to swallow MANS bullshit.

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85 replies	Author	Time	Post
How to Lie with Rape Statistics: America's Hidden Rape Crisis [View all]	redqueen	Apr 2014	OP
DURec	leftstreet	Apr 2014	#1
designating a complaint as "unfounded", as a lesser offense; failing to create a written report	seabeyond	Apr 2014	#2
considerable undercounting from 1995 to 2012. conservatively estimates that 796,213 to 1,145,309	seabeyond	Apr 2014	#3
Instead of experiencing the widely reported "great decline" in rape... a hidden rape crisis. nt	seabeyond	Apr 2014	#4
total validation of my argument and confirmation to what i have been saying. thank you redq,	seabeyond	Apr 2014	#5
My pleasure.	redqueen	Apr 2014	#6
when i sit with three other women. four of us. ask, how many rapes amongst us. the number at 4	seabeyond	Apr 2014	#7
Are you seriously suggesting relying on anecdotal evidence rather than data?	Donald Ian Rankin	Apr 2014	#33
it told me the FBI numbers were bullshit, while the men and MRA's held up the FBI numbers as	seabeyond	Apr 2014	#34
that's hard to believe	hfojvt	Apr 2014	#36
Good catch. Nt	Bonobo	Apr 2014	#40
It "sounds" right, intuitively. But that's assuming there's a strong correlation between rape and	nomorenomore08	Apr 2014	#46
Perhaps it has dropped	BainsBane	Apr 2014	#79
+ 1,000,000	nomorenomore08	Apr 2014	#84
The "propagandists" at the Bureau of Justice Statistics have a slightly different take.	Comrade Grumpy	Apr 2014	#8
“The National Crime Victimization Survey Is Likely Undercounting Rape and Sexual Assault.”	seabeyond	Apr 2014	#11
You can post it a dozen times, sea. A hundred...	redqueen	Apr 2014	#13
Until the NISVS has some years of data under it's belt, the NCVS is the only one that can show trend	lumberjack_jeff	Apr 2014	#19
wrong numbers are wrong numbers. simply that. ncvs numbers are wrong. so we have NO numbers.	seabeyond	Apr 2014	#20
trends are trends	qazplm	Apr 2014	#26
you can chat trend, assume and all the rest. i disagree and wont play the game,	seabeyond	Apr 2014	#29
No, that's simply wrong. Wrong numbers can still provide useful information.	Donald Ian Rankin	Apr 2014	#31
i disagree. agenda teaches us otherwise when we find it. as we did in FBI numbers.	seabeyond	Apr 2014	#32
Wrong numbers are only useful to those that want them wrong...	Ohio Joe	Apr 2014	#37
To repeat myself: no, that's simply wrong	Donald Ian Rankin	Apr 2014	#38
When trying to understand how prevalent rape is... Using wrong numbers is wrong	Ohio Joe	Apr 2014	#39
Are you not reading what I am saying, or just ignoring it? Or do you think there is a mistake in it?	Donald Ian Rankin	Apr 2014	#41
You have several problems with your wrong numbers...	Ohio Joe	Apr 2014	#42
But the argument is that the rape numbers are wrong in the same way	Recursion	Apr 2014	#44
It may well be significantly lower. But I don't see how anyone can argue that it's not unacceptably	nomorenomore08	Apr 2014	#47
against feminists and rape survivors	BainsBane	Apr 2014	#78
conservatively estimates that 796,213 to 1,145,309 complaints of rapes have disappeared	Ohio Joe	Apr 2014	#49
that would be crimes not written down, investigated, taken serious. that would be crimes ignored.	seabeyond	Apr 2014	#50
It's worse then that... Those are only the "forcible vaginal rapes of female victims"	Ohio Joe	Apr 2014	#51
oh... and the victim had to be over 12, and the no alcohol. you know. what is that shit. read	seabeyond	Apr 2014	#53
All seems to be for the purpose of massaging the numbers so they don't look so bad.	nomorenomore08	Apr 2014	#80
There really does seem to be a huge effort from a small group here trying to convince	JTFrog	Apr 2014	#54
"Because evolution" - yes, sex is a natural human (and animal) behavior, so what? What does that	nomorenomore08	Apr 2014	#81
as is all violent crime	BainsBane	Apr 2014	#77
Yeesh!	A Little Weird	Apr 2014	#9
This is happening everywhere	TheSarcastinator	Apr 2014	#10
yes. it is nation wide. it is voluntary. it is a horrible way to have a reality check for crimes.	seabeyond	Apr 2014	#12
Yes, it is often intentionally done to cook the books / make the numbers look good.	redqueen	Apr 2014	#14
When the bushes got put into the White House by the Supreme Court	fasttense	Apr 2014	#48
So "being intoxicated eliminates, by law, the ability for consent..."	malthaussen	Apr 2014	#15
Another excellent OP, and an important resource	thucythucy	Apr 2014	#16
+1. i could nto agree with you more. and it is du's loss when redq feels the need to step away.	seabeyond	Apr 2014	#17
+ [insert large number here]	johnp3907	Apr 2014	#27
k and r with deepest thanks, redqueen. but we are constantly told that there is NO war on women.	niyad	Apr 2014	#18
Not to	mercuryblues	Apr 2014	#21
you and i need to chat about the "some" thing.... lol	seabeyond	Apr 2014	#22
LOL	mercuryblues	Apr 2014	#25
Men is just plural of man and there is no qualifying number.	seabeyond	Apr 2014	#28
trust me	mercuryblues	Apr 2014	#30
Thanks. I knew ab out the media investigations and their results, but	Jackpine Radical	Apr 2014	#23
interesting, huh. and ya. gotta remember. i forgot	seabeyond	Apr 2014	#24
K&R	CFLDem	Apr 2014	#35
But can the reporting in 2014 really be worse than it was in 1984?	Recursion	Apr 2014	#43
But Recursion...	Bonobo	Apr 2014	#45
Recursion isn't going to buy into your efforts	BainsBane	Apr 2014	#57
I am mocking the approach which	Bonobo	Apr 2014	#59
there are just so many factors with rape. it is not the same as other crimes. and does not have	seabeyond	Apr 2014	#52
it's more than a distinct possibility	foo_bar	Apr 2014	#55
What's interesting	BainsBane	Apr 2014	#56
A better question is:	Bonobo	Apr 2014	#60
+ a metric fuckton	opiate69	Apr 2014	#61
"spot on"	BainsBane	Apr 2014	#66
"The OP asks us to believe a 200 word abstract"... There is a 60 page paper that goes along with it	Ohio Joe	Apr 2014	#64
You mean actually read the paper?	BainsBane	Apr 2014	#67
Because the same people who insist rape is down statistically	BainsBane	Apr 2014	#65
Personal attacks are personal attacks and I KNEW you would come to that.	Bonobo	Apr 2014	#68
I made no personal attacks	BainsBane	Apr 2014	#69
Try to answer post #36 without making this about me. How's that BainsBane?	Bonobo	Apr 2014	#72
Where did I name you?	BainsBane	Apr 2014	#73
What about the paper... Are you going to read that?	Ohio Joe	Apr 2014	#70
I will. I did not originally know the actual article was available for everyone.	Bonobo	Apr 2014	#71
She made no attacks whatsoever against you personally. Unless you identify as an MRA	nomorenomore08	Apr 2014	#82
"...refer to anti-rape prevention campaigns as 'haranguing men' or misandrist."	nomorenomore08	Apr 2014	#83
For whatever reason some have a vested interest in convincing people down is up	Major Nikon	Apr 2014	#75
Another one who refuses to read the study	BainsBane	Apr 2014	#76
K&R	ismnotwasm	Apr 2014	#58
Even Fox News admits 11,000 rape kits weren't even processed in Detroit...	Jasana	Apr 2014	#62
There Are 400,000 Unprocessed Rape Kits in the U.S. How Can This Be?	seabeyond	Apr 2014	#63
(Sad sigh) I will have to start bookmarking these in a special folder...	Jasana	Apr 2014	#74
"Men" like that should be offered a free vasectomy at best, quarantined at worst.	nomorenomore08	Apr 2014	#85

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