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MannyGoldstein

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31. Crazy shit flies out, indeed

Reply to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #24)

Thu Apr 10, 2014, 08:04 AM

Apr 2014

But much has proven true, and none has proven false.

So it's not Snowden who's crazy, it seems.

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Snowden to NSA: Go ahead, deny I tried to raise the alarm [View all] Ichingcarpenter Apr 2014 OP

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ,,,,,,,,,,,, Cryptoad Apr 2014 #1

Still asleep at the wheel? Android3.14 Apr 2014 #9

dumb fascisthunter Apr 2014 #90

The NSA denies he made a formal complaint. If he has evidence that he did, why not publish that? msanthrope Apr 2014 #2

Show me the formal denial from the NSA Ichingcarpenter Apr 2014 #3

It's in the second paragraph of your OP. Snowden's responding to Rick Ledgett's TED msanthrope Apr 2014 #7

That's ted talk... NOT A FORMAL LETTER OF DEN Ichingcarpenter Apr 2014 #10

So why haven't his attorneys asked for that? Look...if Comrade Eddie is serious, then he makes msanthrope Apr 2014 #14

"Comrade" Eddie...?? elias49 Apr 2014 #20

No kidding hueymahl Apr 2014 #43

It is especially foolish--and a RW tactic that all liberals and Dems should tblue37 Apr 2014 #244

Yes, childish, it is also a dishonest, false implication that Snowden's original destination was sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #89

Your still promoting this lie? Sheepshank Apr 2014 #130

Revisionist. That traitor flew to Russia to get to Cuba. idendoit Apr 2014 #176

He's also a dirty Commie Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #184

... and boxes and pole dancer girl friend, and (tee hee) don't forget Gigi ... GoneFishin Apr 2014 #210

as if that red-baiting poster could be engaged in an honest discussion bobduca Apr 2014 #95

:::choke::: grasswire Apr 2014 #111

Most liberals have a civil liberation streak pipoman Apr 2014 #28

Indeed...and this liberal attorney despises those who think themselves above the msanthrope Apr 2014 #40

Why the Comrade Eddie? That sounds like such a juvenile name to call someone. Autumn Apr 2014 #48

He's an attorney Ichingcarpenter Apr 2014 #51

Joke right? Sounds like they may have been home sick on the day they talked Autumn Apr 2014 #57

If I respond I will have to bill one of my clients but Ichingcarpenter Apr 2014 #63

Is there a reason you are calling a female attorney a caveman? It's been msanthrope Apr 2014 #66

The reason is pretty clear. randome Apr 2014 #67

Damn straight...but watching the Snowdeniks lose their shit is msanthrope Apr 2014 #159

Maybe for the same reason you call Snowden "Comrade Eddy" LanternWaste Apr 2014 #154

Jumping in the name treestar Apr 2014 #158

You do realize that the TOS allows us to call public figures pretty much what we wish, but not other msanthrope Apr 2014 #162

Yes indeed. Your world frightens... and confuses me! Autumn Apr 2014 #68

'Not his fault'? randome Apr 2014 #70

Sure Putin can fly him to any country. Can he get in without a passport Autumn Apr 2014 #77

I'm sure the scores of countries offering him asylum would...oh. Wait. No one else wants him either. randome Apr 2014 #80

You bet there is a reason for that. Autumn Apr 2014 #82

Yikes! Bad hair day in court! Rex Apr 2014 #105

My username indicates my gender quite clearly. Why would you assume an attorney is male? msanthrope Apr 2014 #58

Funny Thing About Most Modern Day Attorneys... They Know A Lot About The Law... WillyT Apr 2014 #149

Authoritarians, apologists treestar Apr 2014 #156

And your point is what? You seem to be having trouble making one. Autumn Apr 2014 #160

That Eddie supporters crying about name calling can be hypocrites treestar Apr 2014 #243

The Snowdeniks, as you can tell from this thread, are struggling with cognitive dissonance. msanthrope Apr 2014 #165

Yes, and you know what happens even if he does face the consequences treestar Apr 2014 #242

Another day, another smear campaign hueymahl Apr 2014 #245

I get to call Libertarians juvenile names on Democratic Underground. It is a great joy, and a msanthrope Apr 2014 #168

I looked it up, it's not an insult or juvenile after all. My apologies to you. Autumn Apr 2014 #174

A fugitive of typical criminal law maybe, pipoman Apr 2014 #52

Fugitives always think their crimes place them in a category msanthrope Apr 2014 #56

I'm familiar with the case of Ira Einhorn also. I read the Time article on it, The Search for the Autumn Apr 2014 #75

sounds like bobduca Apr 2014 #99

It seems Arlen Specter was involved in the Ira Einhorn case Autumn Apr 2014 #107

"Fugitives always think their crimes place them in a category above the common rabble." bvar22 Apr 2014 #102

Yes--fugitives tend to think they are special. They always have a 'reason' msanthrope Apr 2014 #163

That is the funniest thing I've read in a while. bvar22 Apr 2014 #198

My thoughts to a T malokvale77 Apr 2014 #211

What was the charge? Are you honestly comparing your charges to felonies that msanthrope Apr 2014 #229

Right. And they're not above the common rabble. JoeyT Apr 2014 #173

So runaway slaves were cowards? And those who ran the underground railroad? Vattel Apr 2014 #164

You have made a fatal error in logic. You have presumed that slavery was lawful. And that is not msanthrope Apr 2014 #167

Thank you! bravenak Apr 2014 #192

It is painfully obvious Vattel Apr 2014 #199

Runaway slaves are not fugitives from any valid law. Snowden is. See the difference? msanthrope Apr 2014 #223

So now you change your claim from "fugitives are cowards," Vattel Apr 2014 #235

No... fugitives are cowards. runaway slaves weren't fugitives from any valid law. msanthrope Apr 2014 #240

I'll take up the defense hueymahl Apr 2014 #246

Holy shit. joshcryer Apr 2014 #220

Very offensive. bravenak Apr 2014 #193

see post 199 to appreciate the inoffensiveness of what I said Vattel Apr 2014 #201

I see. bravenak Apr 2014 #202

Because evidence that he DID complain ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #204

Dear msanthrope, NCTraveler Apr 2014 #139

Dear Comrade Eddie, msanthrope Apr 2014 #170

Besides ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #206

Absolutely. Even if he didn't follow the letter of the law, he gives his attorneys a powerful msanthrope Apr 2014 #224

You're moving goalposts with every additional reply... LanternWaste Apr 2014 #152

he wants NSA to prove that they didn't received formal complaints? Sheepshank Apr 2014 #127

And the clearer it becomes... randome Apr 2014 #136

Waiting for their denial before releasing his evidence seems like a good idea to me. GliderGuider Apr 2014 #4

They already denied it....as the OP stated. So now I guess he wants another denial? msanthrope Apr 2014 #5

'A FORMAL WRITTEN LETTER OF DENIAL Ichingcarpenter Apr 2014 #6

Well, that's goalpost moving! He gets a denial, plus public interviews by the NSA, and now he msanthrope Apr 2014 #11

What are you scared of? Ichingcarpenter Apr 2014 #13

Not a thing...certainly not a person who is cowardly enough to hide behind Putin, lest he face msanthrope Apr 2014 #16

Letters are so hard.. we have to attack him Ichingcarpenter Apr 2014 #23

Fugitives from the law don't get their demands met. If Comrade Eddie wants something, msanthrope Apr 2014 #26

A letter from the NSA denying Snowden's claim. Ichingcarpenter Apr 2014 #27

Indeed...the whole world is watching Snowden hide behind Putin. nt msanthrope Apr 2014 #42

If you are an attorney, I would never hire you. JimDandy Apr 2014 #76

Personally, Bobbie Jo Apr 2014 #94

Thanks! I'll add those three to my reasons not to hire. JimDandy Apr 2014 #166

? Bobbie Jo Apr 2014 #175

It's unlikely you could afford me. nt msanthrope Apr 2014 #228

You just reinforced my opinion. JimDandy Apr 2014 #230

You seem to think it would be your choice to hire me. You have msanthrope Apr 2014 #231

that comrade Eddie stuff is devastating by the way shaayecanaan Apr 2014 #29

I love the smell of authoritarian desperation... 99Forever Apr 2014 #47

Your tax dollars at work :NSA Apologia bobduca Apr 2014 #103

"Face the charges against him" pipoman Apr 2014 #32

So true. But many don't understand that.. elias49 Apr 2014 #49

Defend from afar? If demanding stuff through Vanity Fair is defending msanthrope Apr 2014 #50

Ever been to pro-vis at ADX? pipoman Apr 2014 #55

Did you go as an attorney, or something else? nt msanthrope Apr 2014 #65

Appointed by a Federal Judge pipoman Apr 2014 #72

So you'd understand if I decline to answer your question, since I'm not sure I can? I have msanthrope Apr 2014 #227

Ok. Prove that Saddam does not have WMDs Kolesar Apr 2014 #15

I raise a ... GeorgeGist Apr 2014 #200

WOW!!! REALLY!?!?! There needs to be a "letter" vs an official statement saying the same?!?!! uponit7771 Apr 2014 #86

Alberto Gonzales said he misspoke 5 times during his lies Ichingcarpenter Apr 2014 #87

Do you not get.. sendero Apr 2014 #8

Then why haven't his attorneys asked for that? You aren't making a logical argument.... msanthrope Apr 2014 #12

It would be trivial... sendero Apr 2014 #19

It would be trivial for Snowden to release the emails he claims to have. randome Apr 2014 #22

There's zero reason to believe that he has any emails at all. MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #33

Fugitives don't dictate who issues what...if Comrade Eddie wants something, he should msanthrope Apr 2014 #25

LOL MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #34

Mr Snowden has no power SwankyXomb Apr 2014 #194

I would think any lawyer would suggest he wait for a trial to disclose any evidence Autumn Apr 2014 #121

Really? OilemFirchen Apr 2014 #179

Is the NSA part of the judicial branch? Autumn Apr 2014 #182

No. The NSA reports to the DoD. OilemFirchen Apr 2014 #188

I don't think any attorneys are involved in this pissing match Autumn Apr 2014 #191

He was a SharePoint admin, not an email admin MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #30

Manny..this might be the most illogical defense offered...... msanthrope Apr 2014 #53

I think Manny knows the gig is up and just being snarky TOWARDS Snowden with that defense... uponit7771 Apr 2014 #81

Well...if Snowden's lost Manny it's all over but the crying. nt msanthrope Apr 2014 #92

Definitely possible MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #88

Come on Manny, we "know" it's possible but is it probable?!?! NO!! He had the skill sets to steal... uponit7771 Apr 2014 #93

If Snowden didn't or couldn't keep copies or prints of his own emails Sheepshank Apr 2014 #132

Only illogical to someone who apparently knows nothing about computer systems bobduca Apr 2014 #104

But Jane can make local copies of all the emails in her account. nt hack89 Apr 2014 #233

Hell, she could screen-scrape them! randome Apr 2014 #234

You're being sarcastic right? tia uponit7771 Apr 2014 #79

There is no trial so Snowden does not have to prove anything. Autumn Apr 2014 #120

amen uponit7771 Apr 2014 #78

If he showed you the evidence, I doubt you would accept it. You seem to already have rhett o rick Apr 2014 #171

Oh...I would definitely accept it! If he handed over a copy of a formal complaint he made with msanthrope Apr 2014 #172

The Albert Gonzales defense...'I misspoke'' 5 times to the Senate Ichingcarpenter Apr 2014 #178

It's easy enough to prove he didn't. joshcryer Apr 2014 #219

But. . .but. . .he's a traitor and a coward and needs to come back and face his trumped up Nanjing to Seoul Apr 2014 #17

And don't forget.... sendero Apr 2014 #21

He eats kittens. 840high Apr 2014 #91

YAWN B Calm Apr 2014 #18

wake up! bobduca Apr 2014 #97

Except Snowden's 'revelations' are on par with... randome Apr 2014 #98

without his "revelations" none of this would have been "known" bobduca Apr 2014 #101

Are you seriously saying that phone companies haven't had records Whisp Apr 2014 #109

That gif convinced me. bobduca Apr 2014 #115

Eddy needs some java: Whisp Apr 2014 #118

Snowden sure makes a lot of claims that he NEVER seems to show US.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #24

Crazy shit flies out, indeed MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #31

He's probably not crazy, just dirt stupid... tridim Apr 2014 #39

He's at least smart enough to elude the entire US Intelligence system, and then publicly Zorra Apr 2014 #126

Yes he is living the life of reilly as tech support in Russia.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #208

For every decent person, exposing evil to help others is worth sacrifice. Zorra Apr 2014 #212

So now phone metadata records are 'evil'? randome Apr 2014 #226

I suggest that you may want to consider the possibility that you are missing something very Zorra Apr 2014 #237

Are you saying international spying is 'evil'? randome Apr 2014 #239

I've been here way long enough to know better than to engage in one of your strawman Zorra Apr 2014 #241

Not what Snowden has said...no... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #44

He's a religion and his supporters are his flock. tridim Apr 2014 #38

How far off is Snowden Communion? With wafers and grape juice? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #45

Might be a good time to sell little Eddie statuettes on DU. Whisp Apr 2014 #110

With authentic rappelling gear! randome Apr 2014 #112

and when you pull the string on his back: Whisp Apr 2014 #117

I don't suppose any of you will get this Union Scribe Apr 2014 #217

Their civil war is starting though Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #222

that's exactly what he's saying Enrique Apr 2014 #41

HE should have his CYA.....he can't expect them to make his argument for him can he? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #46

he does have them with him Enrique Apr 2014 #61

they do? How come WE don't.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #64

everyone's telling Snowden what he should do Enrique Apr 2014 #69

Well he keeps talking and crazy shit flies out..... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #71

Ummm no.... people are wanting freaking evidence he's not a damn traitor hiding behind pooty poot uponit7771 Apr 2014 #84

People in this very thread have been caught lying more than Snowden has DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2014 #205

Which hand does Comrade Eddie Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #35

Oh puke. More childish name calling elias49 Apr 2014 #54

Easy enough to fix....Snowden could actually produce this evidence... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #73

Revealing the New McCarthyites, another part of Snowden's legacy bobduca Apr 2014 #96

yes indeedy grasswire Apr 2014 #116

Former Republican? GeorgeGist Apr 2014 #203

Why would the NSA do anything Snowden wants?... SidDithers Apr 2014 #36

So, he has the emails yet does not release them. NCTraveler Apr 2014 #37

His 15 minutes are up brush Apr 2014 #60

Snowden is the 'MH370' of print journalism. randome Apr 2014 #62

snowden has released all the documents.. frylock Apr 2014 #124

Greenwald does get in on the act too though with "new revelations". nt brush Apr 2014 #147

amen uponit7771 Apr 2014 #85

it's called giving them enough rope to hang themselves.. frylock Apr 2014 #123

It's called not having what is needed to back your claim. NCTraveler Apr 2014 #135

another mind reader! grasswire Apr 2014 #141

Thread is full of them if you haven't noticed. NCTraveler Apr 2014 #142

the distinction, you may not have noticed... grasswire Apr 2014 #144

I don't think ANYONE has suggested we should trust the NSA. No one. randome Apr 2014 #146

You've implied for 8 months that they should be trusted. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2014 #207

funny, isn't it? grasswire Apr 2014 #209

I don't understand why this is so hard for some to grasp. randome Apr 2014 #221

"So you choose to believe the liars." NCTraveler Apr 2014 #236

his little buddy Pooty Poot.. frylock Apr 2014 #145

Sweet. Another put up or shut up moment for the... 99Forever Apr 2014 #59

and more blind faith for the supporters...AGAIN! VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #74

Rope a dope. nt. Rex Apr 2014 #83

Oh, if Snowden spoke to who he said he spoke to Blue_Tires Apr 2014 #100

snowden isn't publishing jack shit.. frylock Apr 2014 #125

That doesn't explain why he's kept the e-mail evidence Blue_Tires Apr 2014 #150

you don't play poker, do you? frylock Apr 2014 #151

Snowden has played this PERFECTLY. bvar22 Apr 2014 #106

I guess by extension the Russians have played this *more* PERFECTLY Blue_Tires Apr 2014 #108

Do you believe in Democracy? n/t HangOnKids Apr 2014 #113

Can you define 'democracy'? randome Apr 2014 #114

Ever heard of a dictionary? HangOnKids Apr 2014 #133

Sure... Blue_Tires Apr 2014 #153

how so? frylock Apr 2014 #128

it's kind of funny to watch grasswire Apr 2014 #119

They are transparent, and as laughably devoid of a cogent argument... bvar22 Apr 2014 #131

nobody is fooled grasswire Apr 2014 #138

They ARE the Creationists and Climate Change Deniers... 99Forever Apr 2014 #190

...a magnificent post. Union Scribe Apr 2014 #216

The fact so many want to lock him up for exposing NSA corruption is telling. Octafish Apr 2014 #122

Barry and the boys frylock Apr 2014 #129

Meanwhile, those who go along, get along. Octafish Apr 2014 #143

Who is Barry? nt msanthrope Apr 2014 #232

Barry Seal bobduca Apr 2014 #238

Don't worry, I'm sure that if Snowden releases absolute proof... SomethingFishy Apr 2014 #134

If Snowden shows proof that he attempted to use whistleblower channels... NCTraveler Apr 2014 #140

When you ASSUME... SomethingFishy Apr 2014 #148

The whistleblower channels BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #157

NSA: "well--why didn't you try to raise the alarm!?" (I know how these things go) MisterP Apr 2014 #137

I wonder what Snowden thinks of the Russian system rumdude Apr 2014 #155

WOW....not much different than the USA. bvar22 Apr 2014 #161

Nope, you are so wrong rumdude Apr 2014 #169

Unfortunately, as Americans we cannot influence the Russian political system. Maedhros Apr 2014 #180

The USA doesn't need to respond to confirmed traitors. idendoit Apr 2014 #177

confirmed? grasswire Apr 2014 #181

With his own words. idendoit Apr 2014 #195

I don't think you understand the meaning of the word. grasswire Apr 2014 #196

Do tell. 18 U.S. Code 2381 Treason. idendoit Apr 2014 #197

Nor confirmed Communists Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #185

As I re-re-re-reread this, OilemFirchen Apr 2014 #183

Yesterday it was the NSA 'absolutely' spied on Amnesty International. randome Apr 2014 #186

I'm ashamed to admit I didn't read any of that. OilemFirchen Apr 2014 #189

This is a good indication he's run out of juicy documents. DCBob Apr 2014 #214

to those that hate Snoden, I bet if he did this under Bush you would think of him as a hero politicman Apr 2014 #187

He wouldn't have done it under Bush. He's on Bush-Cheney's side and is carrying their water. ucrdem Apr 2014 #213

Obama opened himself up to the acions of Snowden by refusing to stop the NSA when he became Pres. politicman Apr 2014 #215

Refusing to stop the NSA from doing what? randome Apr 2014 #225

Snowden is on Bush Cheney's side? grasswire Apr 2014 #218