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randome

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141. The fact of metadata records obtained via a warrant?

Mon Apr 21, 2014, 03:11 PM

Apr 2014

Is that your fact?
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For The Record: The NSA Spied on All Americans. It Is a Fact. [View all] MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 OP

DU Rec. eom MohRokTah Apr 2014 #1

"Conversation." blkmusclmachine Apr 2014 #2

There's no way to spin it. HooptieWagon Apr 2014 #3

I'm afraid secondvariety Apr 2014 #5

+1 nashville_brook Apr 2014 #148

NO, they didn't. THAT is a fact. jazzimov Apr 2014 #4

Another of those 'unknown unknowns? elias49 Apr 2014 #6

A defender of Clapper's lies here at the "Underground" villager Apr 2014 #11

word. nt silvershadow Apr 2014 #45

Comrade Jazzimov billhicks76 Apr 2014 #150

So when Bartlet Apr 2014 #152

Welcome to DU!You actually consider that "not a problem" when the private sector collects your info? villager Apr 2014 #156

First of all, you do know that Wikileaks can be edited by anyone on the internet, right? cui bono Apr 2014 #13

First of all, I'm talking about the Wikileaks "evidence" jazzimov Apr 2014 #32

So no new technology is covered by the constitution? cui bono Apr 2014 #43

Obviously, you don't know the Constitution OR jazzimov Apr 2014 #57

What is that supposed to even mean? Ed Suspicious Apr 2014 #77

Data bases are quite complicated,You type in a query and it returns the results Dragonfli Apr 2014 #78

I nearly fell out of my chair laughing Aerows Apr 2014 #115

Who are you who can summon fire without flint or tinder? Ed Suspicious Apr 2014 #153

Magical indeed! Ed Suspicious Apr 2014 #154

Closing your eyes to inconvenient truths is also unproductive. lark Apr 2014 #128

Wow, so many false statements, so little time hueymahl Apr 2014 #161

Think you may be conflating Wikileaks and Wikipedia. mattclearing Apr 2014 #73

Ignorance is on the calling card Android3.14 Apr 2014 #85

Oh! Yes I was.... brain fart. cui bono Apr 2014 #169

Some apparently has a different fourth amendment, you know like Cliven Bundy, Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #47

Private firms bl968 Apr 2014 #80

Clapper's deliberate word games? G_j Apr 2014 #84

I've seen that part of the hearing a number of times. Clapper answered the question truthfully. George II Apr 2014 #90

Clapper himslef has admitted he lied to the Senate Committee. bvar22 Apr 2014 #103

No one is entitled to their own "Facts" the fact is NSA spies and is spying on US all. Believe what Vincardog Apr 2014 #110

It all depends on what "is" is. clarice Apr 2014 #135

Wow billhicks76 Apr 2014 #149

Excellent, Manny! I, too, am sure he was going to tell us. Um hmm. n/t truth2power Apr 2014 #7

Sure he was. 840high Apr 2014 #8

He was going to tell us as soon as he found his comfortable shoes. OnyxCollie Apr 2014 #16

Manny, Phlem Apr 2014 #9

"have you noticed a flood of posters roughly 200 to 400 posts recently getting very animated in DU?" Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 #12

I thought you were against the NSA spying? n/t cui bono Apr 2014 #14

Are you sure you're responding to the right person? Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 #18

No, that's seems to be the standard Bobbie Jo Apr 2014 #116

Getting that check every two weeks from Karl Rove helps keep perspective MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #21

+1... freebrew Apr 2014 #95

Well we have had the conversation. zeemike Apr 2014 #10

Anyone watching Good Wife riverbendviewgal Apr 2014 #15

rec'd for the flattery through immitation nt arely staircase Apr 2014 #17

Kick. GoneFishin Apr 2014 #19

Yall need to study your constituion more Cryptoad Apr 2014 #20

Correct Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 #24

I thought you were against the NSA spying? n/t cui bono Apr 2014 #53

Are you sure you're replying to the right person? Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 #55

You can argue the unconstitutionality of a program before it reaches the high court. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #28

It reached the high court in 1979. jeff47 Apr 2014 #35

we need a new law ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #39

Metadata is nothin. jeff47 Apr 2014 #60

that's the same info sunnystarr Apr 2014 #91

Nope. jeff47 Apr 2014 #113

That wasn't an appeal to authority. bvar22 Apr 2014 #126

Yep Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 #42

Cali, you are so right. mimi85 Apr 2014 #59

This guy disagrees. bvar22 Apr 2014 #105

This doesn't fit the new meme so it doesn't count. think Apr 2014 #108

The fun thing about opinions is they don't change reality. jeff47 Apr 2014 #112

..and THAT is YOUR "opinion". bvar22 Apr 2014 #118

Appeal to authority is an odd tactic for someone so anti-establishment. jeff47 Apr 2014 #119

Ron Wyden has never claimed they lied. joshcryer Apr 2014 #22

Well... I didn't claim that in my OP, but in any case... MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #26

Wyden made sure the record was correct. joshcryer Apr 2014 #34

HAIL HYDRA! whatchamacallit Apr 2014 #23

No they didn't treestar Apr 2014 #25

What evidence are you basing your certainty of "no they didnt" on? Are you absolutely certain? rhett o rick Apr 2014 #46

Because Obama! neverforget Apr 2014 #62

Well, only one program has leaked so far jeff47 Apr 2014 #63

Baffled that anyone believes the NSA didn't spy on all Americans, and doesn't still. Skip Intro Apr 2014 #27

Some shade of brown. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #29

lol. n/t Skip Intro Apr 2014 #33

Ouch. MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #36

+1 L0oniX Apr 2014 #89

I think it's called shit brown. JEB Apr 2014 #104

Well when your head is Aerows Apr 2014 #117

What do you think the NSA rah rah crowd eats? JEB Apr 2014 #125

I think they are mushrooms. n/t Aerows Apr 2014 #139

Paid mushrooms living off the shit buried in the bowels of the dying empire. JEB Apr 2014 #147

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Apr 2014 #30

It is as much a fact as Saddam's WMDs. jeff47 Apr 2014 #31

Nah, they keep all plaintext, they just can't "view it" without a warrant. joshcryer Apr 2014 #37

That's why posts like this OP are really, really, really dumb jeff47 Apr 2014 #41

Did *I* suggest the "fix"? MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #44

Yes. You demanded the NSA "stop spying". jeff47 Apr 2014 #49

The US security apparatus reports to the President MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #54

And there go the goalposts. jeff47 Apr 2014 #58

Haven't moved a bit. You asked a question, I answered it, MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #66

And here we get to stage 2 of Manny's argument going South jeff47 Apr 2014 #68

Or receiving a barrage of prevarications and personal insults MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #101

Too bad those posts are still there. jeff47 Apr 2014 #114

So Mr. Jeff, you seem to enjoy finding cracks in arguments (whether they are there or not) hueymahl Apr 2014 #163

So Castro, 2024. joshcryer Apr 2014 #51

The fix is insane. joshcryer Apr 2014 #50

"Anyone with a checkbook" does not have the right to imprison me. nt MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #40

Yes, actually they do. jeff47 Apr 2014 #48

You just admitted they are spying on everyone RobertEarl Apr 2014 #56

Reading. You really need to start trying it. jeff47 Apr 2014 #61

Did you just now start reading? RobertEarl Apr 2014 #64

The problem with attempting a "gotcha" is you have to actually be clever to pull it off. jeff47 Apr 2014 #65

Question RobertEarl Apr 2014 #67

I don't. jeff47 Apr 2014 #69

You have any links? RobertEarl Apr 2014 #70

Don't remember your own posting history? jeff47 Apr 2014 #71

Just check my journal RobertEarl Apr 2014 #75

Oddly enough, you don't send every post to your journal. jeff47 Apr 2014 #111

Blatant epic false equivalency. Phone companies are not looking for criminals and terrorists. L0oniX Apr 2014 #92

Privacy is not only from the government. jeff47 Apr 2014 #109

I agree with you that corporate collection of personal information is a problem. Maedhros Apr 2014 #120

What bad acts? jeff47 Apr 2014 #123

I won't recap all of the revelations from the leaked documents. Maedhros Apr 2014 #124

The ruling did not claim it only covered individual suspects. jeff47 Apr 2014 #127

Um...in my previous response I did agree that there is a larger problem Maedhros Apr 2014 #132

Sure, just like Dred Scott. jeff47 Apr 2014 #136

Federal judges are certainly not infallible. Maedhros Apr 2014 #142

You are badly, badly twisting that opinion hueymahl Apr 2014 #165

Sure ...Verizon is voluntarily forwarding meta to NSA under no threat. L0oniX Apr 2014 #121

They'd have no metadata to forward if they weren't spying jeff47 Apr 2014 #122

OFFS now I get it... L0oniX Apr 2014 #145

They could be terrorists, though. Democracyinkind Apr 2014 #38

Manny, you are without a doubt mimi85 Apr 2014 #52

Manny, You Are A Treasure Here, And This Place Wouldn't Be The Same Without You !!! WillyT Apr 2014 #72

It takes courage to speak the truth. Obnoxious_One Apr 2014 #74

K&R n/t NealK Apr 2014 #76

Agreed - No Other Way To Spin This cantbeserious Apr 2014 #79

Not only did we get lied to by the NSA... 99Forever Apr 2014 #81

Couldn't agree more..... Swede Atlanta Apr 2014 #82

Facts don't get us very far, unfortunately Demeter Apr 2014 #83

I remember then talking about listening for certian words and then tracking those words. That would jwirr Apr 2014 #86

That's quite a leap in assumptions. randome Apr 2014 #96

I was not the one who fist suggested that they spied on us using words. I do not remember where jwirr Apr 2014 #98

And there is nothing to indicate it applies to citizens. randome Apr 2014 #99

"For The Record:" ProSense Apr 2014 #87

Just curious hueymahl Apr 2014 #166

Certainly our wonderful journalists would have told us about NSA crimes... L0oniX Apr 2014 #88

But...but...but...Snowden!!!11111 Vashta Nerada Apr 2014 #93

Very well put. nt. NCTraveler Apr 2014 #94

So you think storing copies of metadata is the same as spying. randome Apr 2014 #97

Poll: Majority of Americans Against NSA Spying MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #100

Being 'against spying' is like saying you're against war. randome Apr 2014 #107

I tend to assume the president didn't know before Snowden. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #102

For The Record.... gcomeau Apr 2014 #106

hi sarah445 Apr 2014 #129

Hi Sarah MagnumUK Apr 2014 #168

This is the top "greatest thread" as we speak Otelo Apr 2014 #130

kick warrprayer Apr 2014 #131

It is not a proven fact. Progressive dog Apr 2014 #133

It is fact the NSA spied on all Americans. I would not presume Obama was going to state any Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #134

Please be more specific about your 'fact'. randome Apr 2014 #137

It is a material fact, yes, may be a disputed fact by the NSA..that is different. Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #138

One cant see the evidence if their eyes are closed. rhett o rick Apr 2014 #140

People are sometimes uncomfortable with information,the scope of the Snowden leak has been riveting. Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #146

The fact of metadata records obtained via a warrant? randome Apr 2014 #141

You're suggesting the NSA is not disputing spying on Americans? n/t Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #144

A non-equivocal answer on that would be welcome. randome Apr 2014 #151

I asked you a question you are not willing to answer. Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #157

just lurking, but that's a total fail on your part. You can't answer a simple question. uhnope Apr 2014 #164

You sound content..I am happy for you. n/t Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #167

"Why bother with an investigation and trial? He's guilty. I'm sure of it." LanternWaste Apr 2014 #143

Tragically inane. OilemFirchen Apr 2014 #155

how many people here believe this "Sky is Falling" garbage? uhnope Apr 2014 #159

About 300. OilemFirchen Apr 2014 #160

The NSA and the CIA have been doing things they shouldn't have since 1947 (CIA) and 1952 (NSA). Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #158

this is FOX or RW radio-level BS. and Snowden LIED btw uhnope Apr 2014 #162