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bvar22

(39,909 posts)
65. Sure there is.
Wed Apr 23, 2014, 04:29 PM
Apr 2014

One is the TRUTH,

the other is a FALSE statement attempting to make it look like Snowden was in cahoots with foreign governments.

Its easy to distinguish between the two when one has an internal Moral Compass.

You DO know that the China is NOT an "enemy" of the USA.
They are a ally,
and Bill Clinton, reversing a Campaign Promise, granted China Most Favored Nation Trade Status in 1994.

Do you really believe that we should be hacking the computers of of Most Favored Trade Partners and Allies?

You remind me of Rumsfeld.
After the Torture at Abu Ghraib was exposed,
he never saw Torture as the Problem.
He saw the problem as The People finding out about the torture,
and solved it by tightening the security at the torture centers,
and forbidding Camera Phones.
Problem Solved.

If you are so upset about our Most Favored Trade Ally finding out about our spying on them,
then maybe the problem is the SPYING,
and not the transparency?
Yes?

which one's? domestic phone metadata or US spying activities against china? big difference arely staircase Apr 2014 #1
This poll isn't about Snowden. MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #5
right. and you don't distinguish between two very different things he revealed arely staircase Apr 2014 #6
Again with the personal attacks. MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #7
Post removed Post removed Apr 2014 #12
Are the results what you expected? MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #14
Really? They are still dragging that "only Meta Data" horse carcass around? GoneFishin Apr 2014 #33
The people still posting that disproved BS certainly KNOW it by now, bvar22 Apr 2014 #40
You play victim very well. KittyWampus Apr 2014 #36
not really Manny, I find she can erect one hell of a straw man as well when inspired. Dragonfli Apr 2014 #15
I've always wanted to go to Burning Man MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #22
Crying "Personal Attack" is not an answer psiman May 2014 #74
+1, but but... there's no proof (other than Snowdens words) that he gave to China!!!! uponit7771 Apr 2014 #11
Horrid billhicks76 Apr 2014 #21
C'mon Manny. We can be totally glad AND hope he rots the rest of his life in jail. Luminous Animal Apr 2014 #2
Edward Snowden, Patriot nationalize the fed Apr 2014 #3
Whoop, there it is! NYC_SKP Apr 2014 #8
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people msanthrope Apr 2014 #47
+1000 snot Apr 2014 #17
nice! nt grasswire Apr 2014 #19
^^^What NYC_SKP said^^^ pacalo Apr 2014 #25
But we knew or at least strongly suspected most of it any way ? nt Nobel_Twaddle_III Apr 2014 #4
NSA and courts which permit this spying are the enemies... Mondavi Apr 2014 #9
OTHER - overt traitors suck? tia uponit7771 Apr 2014 #10
what does Elizabeth Warren think JI7 Apr 2014 #13
That's a really good question. MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #16
Jimmy Carter, Bernie Sanders and more ProSense Apr 2014 #37
bernie sanders says he "violated his oath" ? arely staircase Apr 2014 #56
Manny, the flies are all over you; first to land. But snot Apr 2014 #18
As the vindication keeps rolling in dougolat Apr 2014 #20
Hell yes! 84 votes (as of 10:22 am) on an internet message board poll ... TOTAL VINDICATION! 11 Bravo Apr 2014 #38
Well, the Highest Pulitzer Award possible.... For Public Service... bvar22 Apr 2014 #44
Greenwald did not win a Pulitzer. And he won't be accepting it for the Guardian. The people msanthrope Apr 2014 #48
That is a weasel out AND a transparent attempt to have it both ways. bvar22 Apr 2014 #52
you keep insisting that release to the media absolves Snowdon of criminal liability. msanthrope Apr 2014 #55
Please post a cite where I have said that: bvar22 Apr 2014 #57
How about some national polls? Looks like the American people support Snowden overwhelmingly sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #51
Out in the real world, Snowden's support continues to drop and it was never that high to begin with Number23 Apr 2014 #62
Even after BP dumped millions of gallons of oil into Gulf.. apologists pragmatic_dem Apr 2014 #23
Did you look at the results of Mannys poll? nt. NCTraveler Apr 2014 #43
what matters more is what people in leadership positions think, how they lobby, pragmatic_dem Apr 2014 #71
K&R n/t NealK Apr 2014 #24
Thumbs up! elias49 Apr 2014 #26
...^ that 840high Apr 2014 #41
I prefer to know what I'm dealing blue14u Apr 2014 #27
Snowden revealed what society has endured for centuries polynomial Apr 2014 #28
I think we need to look forward. nt bemildred Apr 2014 #29
The minority is as vocal as it is unpopular and unpersuasive Otelo Apr 2014 #30
What do the majority of American believe? ProSense Apr 2014 #31
Any party breakdown or ideological breakdown? Otelo Apr 2014 #59
I wish he had done it differently in some respects el_bryanto Apr 2014 #32
It he had "done it differently", bvar22 Apr 2014 #45
Well yes because there are two ways and two ways only he could have done it. nt el_bryanto Apr 2014 #49
Actually, there ARE only two ways. bvar22 Apr 2014 #53
Love the disclosure of the illegal domestic surveillance MohRokTah Apr 2014 #34
I wonder how much the NSA spends to propagandize on the web? GoneFishin Apr 2014 #35
Glad he did, and don't particularly care why. NuclearDem Apr 2014 #39
Results are exactly as I would expect on du. nt. NCTraveler Apr 2014 #42
This Poll validates an observation by woo me with science from 2013: bvar22 Apr 2014 #46
Spot on. All of the pissing matches convince no one, but do stop us from reaching a point when we GoneFishin Apr 2014 #50
Bingo! Scuba May 2014 #73
Slightly more positive than negative. JoePhilly Apr 2014 #54
They won't result in reform. joshcryer Apr 2014 #58
On the whole, I wish he'd done things differently. pnwmom Apr 2014 #60
Your post is misleading, and far from being truthful. bvar22 Apr 2014 #63
There is no effective difference between handing over files to a Chinese newspaper pnwmom Apr 2014 #64
Sure there is. bvar22 Apr 2014 #65
You do know that China is hacking into our computers every single minute? pnwmom Apr 2014 #67
My Mother always said, bvar22 Apr 2014 #68
This discussion is not about justifying torture. pnwmom Apr 2014 #69
Once again, bvar22 Apr 2014 #70
Are there NSA agents on this board? nilesobek Apr 2014 #61
Thumbs Up bigwillq Apr 2014 #66
Kick & Rec L0oniX May 2014 #72
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