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DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
47. No. There's no danger in finding points of agreement.
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 02:24 PM
Apr 2014

That is a specious proposal, like blackballing playwrights for being Commie sympathizers.

"Look out! That person's dogma is unclean!"

Bullshit.

No one is an ideological robot with secret programming you can uncover. And no ideology is 100% clear or consistent across the board.

So the whole game of shooting something down because a Paul family member agrees with it, on the theory that the Paul family has a lot of stupid ideas, or the mangled vision of Libertarianism some people claim to embrace is terrible, is a disingenuous premise from the beginning.

There are Republicans that are occasionally right about something across ideological lines. There are Democrats who are wrong.

No one's magically correct or incorrect because of the supposed point of view they may or may not fully embrace, which people may or may not even agree upon in the first place.

This has been applied in a particularly putrid way with the Snowden / NSA battles here on DU, and I notice the cross-posted material goes out of its way to bring that up.

The only thing that makes sense is to discuss the viability of ideas and policy on their own. No one is the Keeper of the True Faith. No one is an apostate or heretic.

No one is wrong about one thing because they're wrong about something else.

Sorry, Rand and Ron can be racists, and free-market morons, and crypto-anti-reproductive rights-ians, and still be right that the NSA overstepped its bounds or that the U.S. should stay of out needless wars in the Middle East. No one has to embrace the rest of their bullshit to clock them or anyone else being right about something.

If you don't acknowledge that, you're just asking people to engage in mindless partisan head-butting until the the end of time. We'd be stuck agreeing with every Democrat who's wrong and fighting everyone else, no matter what.

The list is excellent, the facts made clear... Spazito Apr 2014 #1
Its the new scam ... GeorgeGist Apr 2014 #2
Fuck Ron Paul and all the Libertarians including his son Rand. TeamPooka Apr 2014 #3
Rand is not Libertarian, he is a Social con riding his dad's coat tails. nt Demo_Chris Apr 2014 #7
Ron Paul was pretty much the same way Bjorn Against Apr 2014 #16
The thing is...you see a lot of the same racism, sexism, and anti-poor bigotry from Libertarians... YoungDemCA Apr 2014 #21
As someone tabling on a local issue, here is where Progressives and truedelphi Apr 2014 #4
I think that most DUers agree with ending the drug war, but that is one issue. Skidmore Apr 2014 #5
Sorry if I wasn't clear. truedelphi Apr 2014 #10
Another issue liberals can talk with libertarians about RainDog Apr 2014 #45
The points you are making are excellent. One experience I would share - I lived in truedelphi May 2014 #59
Education has been the traditional route to a better life RainDog May 2014 #60
Decriminalizing pot would earn the support of 20% of libertarians. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2014 #42
The "just say no" era of soccer moms is over RainDog Apr 2014 #43
Thank you for this educational post. truedelphi Apr 2014 #46
It's interesting that mj use is little changed in teens since the 1990s RainDog Apr 2014 #53
Corporate Democrats would not have to worry about Libertarians at all woo me with science May 2014 #56
^^^^^^^^^^ n/t truedelphi May 2014 #58
As Thom Hartmann used to say, "Libertarians are just Republicans who wanna smoke dope & get laid". Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #6
And today's Republicans are Libertarians who want to control women's bodies pnwmom Apr 2014 #14
+1 Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #22
Maybe that's why Greenwald liked Gary Johnson so much. Ikonoklast Apr 2014 #29
Exactly. I read a great piece, a few years back, and was stunned to see that GG... Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #30
Yep. Everything that affects them is the most important thing EVAH Stuff that affects everyone else? Number23 Apr 2014 #32
"...but are successful at neither one." LadyHawkAZ Apr 2014 #34
!!! Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #44
Sometimes people are too easily distracted by one or two issues. herding cats Apr 2014 #8
LITTLE overlap hfojvt Apr 2014 #9
Did I say that there was no overlap? Skidmore Apr 2014 #11
Marriage equality, pro-choice, ending the war on drugs, and anti-war stances ZombieHorde Apr 2014 #12
The problem is ProSense Apr 2014 #15
Good post YoungDemCA Apr 2014 #17
Those two men are not Libertarians. They're Republicans. nt ZombieHorde Apr 2014 #18
Libertarians: ProSense Apr 2014 #20
Non sequitor. nt ZombieHorde Apr 2014 #23
Who are these libertarians? Nader cited Rand Paul. ProSense Apr 2014 #24
The Libertarian Party. ZombieHorde Apr 2014 #25
Those are independents, not libertarians. n/t ProSense Apr 2014 #26
You lost me. ZombieHorde Apr 2014 #27
Thank you for typing out these replies of yours. truedelphi Apr 2014 #54
You left out personhood bills and private prisons. So long as some are kept down low, okay by them. freshwest Apr 2014 #41
In my experience, Libertarians are even MORE dogmatic/extreme right-wing on economic issues YoungDemCA Apr 2014 #13
+1 !!!! gollygee Apr 2014 #19
Snowden is a libertarian baldguy Apr 2014 #28
Why don't these guys call themselves what they really are? Anarchists. johnlucas Apr 2014 #31
Right Wing Libertarians CLAIM to care about social liberalism LostOne4Ever Apr 2014 #33
Thank you for that list. Skidmore Apr 2014 #36
KnR Hekate Apr 2014 #35
Libertarians seem very Jamaal510 Apr 2014 #37
The post you quote implies that libertarians are supporters of marriage equality Bluenorthwest Apr 2014 #38
The blue excerpt section of the post are a cut and paste of LadyHawkAZ's comments from another Skidmore Apr 2014 #40
The official party platform considers orientation to be none of the LadyHawkAZ Apr 2014 #51
Well I'm sick of it. The Pauls are anti gay, anti cannabis, but every fucking day Bluenorthwest Apr 2014 #52
I think it's more of the opposite, LadyHawkAZ May 2014 #55
Wow, so much good info. in this thread. Bookmarking nt UtahLib Apr 2014 #39
No. There's no danger in finding points of agreement. DirkGently Apr 2014 #47
Thank you. It's a hazard of a partisan board. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2014 #48
This is ProSense Apr 2014 #50
Best post in the thread. Thank you. woo me with science May 2014 #57
This should be an OP. winter is coming May 2014 #61
Libertarians come in all different stripes, it is not just one type quinnox Apr 2014 #49
A lot of those sound like Corporate Democrats (with slightly different language) Armstead May 2014 #62
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