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LWolf

(46,179 posts)
19. Nader and Rand?
Thu May 1, 2014, 08:52 AM
May 2014

I threw a shoe at my tv last night. Why? Because some local fucking Republican was airing a campaign ad about how Republicans will make sure that we help people "the American Way" by "pulling ourselves up by our bootstraps." Ridiculously transparent propaganda. As one of the outliers in that false myth, I know that people don't dig their way out of poverty with bootstraps.

I fucking hate political propaganda that encourages people to, en masse, adopt false memes. And, of course, EVERY campaign season, we are fucking BURIED by them, from both sides.

Nader is a false boogie-man pulled out every fucking campaign season to attack the left, blame them for the 2000 selection, and try to bully/scare people into voting for fucking neo-liberal corporate dems. Every political campaign needs an "enemy" to promote the "lesser evil" meme, because, god knows, there are very, very few candidates worthy of supporting on their own merits in these days of corporate ownership of the whole process. So faithful partisans always have to have an enemy to bash, and devote so much of their time and energy into doing so.

I, for one, think that time and energy would be better spent cleaning our own house, so to speak, but then, I AM a lone wolf when it comes to politics.

One of those enemies I've read more and more vitriol against the last couple of years has been "libertarians." Rand Paul, while a Republican, seems to be a favorite example of a "libertarian." To see him linked with Nader in an OP for a double whammy of "evil" is not surprising. Just discouraging. As for the point? Nader suggesting a marriage of the left and right? Not going to happen, but it's not a surprising suggestion. After all, those of us on the fringe of mainstream corporate politics are always looking for ways to break up the corporate status quo.

For the record, I do not now, never have, and probably never will, hate Ralph Nader, blame him for the 2000 selection, or make my voting decisions based on what he says or does. I've also never voted for him.

For the record, I don't give a fuck about Rand Paul. While I don't like him, I also don't plan to spend any energy giving him time and attention in any kind of forum.

I care about issues, and about what the Democratic Party is doing with them. That's ALL I care about, and that's what drives my voting decisions.

I'm never going to vote for a Republican. Never. Efforts to convince me that they are "bad" are a waste of time. I already know that. Efforts to marginalize the left, or to bully them into line? With this far-left Democrat, those efforts are not only an utter failure, but tend to have unintended consequences...the more I see, the less I respect or listen to those voices.

I'm looking for candidates to vote FOR, and that has to be based on their positions and records on issues...not on their opponents.

But that's just me.

Nader.. sendero May 2014 #1
Bill Sher's alternative (in the rest of the article) is for us to work with Corporations.... KoKo May 2014 #25
So do you think Nader is correct?? nt msanthrope May 2014 #32
You forget about Conservatives and about half of Democrats NobodyHere May 2014 #58
The fact that Libertarians, sendero May 2014 #63
I don't remember republicans and voting against deregulation of banks either NobodyHere May 2014 #72
White privilege has poisoned his brain randys1 May 2014 #77
I love Nader otherone May 2014 #2
You love Ralph Nader? Cali_Democrat May 2014 #42
Look down. You just stepped in shit. L0oniX May 2014 #62
Fuck Nader. Itchinjim May 2014 #3
Amen! calimary May 2014 #69
Fuck Nader Champion Jack May 2014 #4
Amen kysrsoze May 2014 #51
"... opposing "sovereignty-shredding global trade agreements, Wall Street bailouts, the overweening pampango May 2014 #5
Well, who could have seen that coming? Bobbie Jo May 2014 #6
Fuck that assclown. nt onehandle May 2014 #7
Ralph Nader can go suck eggs. hobbit709 May 2014 #8
This Proposal Makes No Sense ProfessorGAC May 2014 #9
Most liberals remember KaryninMiami May 2014 #10
Hasn't he done enough... Just ask Iraq!! Theyletmeeatcake2 May 2014 #20
Fuck Nader... Jesus Malverde May 2014 #11
Rot in hell Nadir. nt WhiteTara May 2014 #12
Nader loves the Bushes, he does so much to try to get them elected. MohRokTah May 2014 #13
You always take a vote where you can to meet your goal, but this is a precarious plan Jefferson23 May 2014 #14
Go back under your rock. TheCowsCameHome May 2014 #15
ralph has gone off the rails. nt Javaman May 2014 #16
More inspiration from the man with the blood of Iraq and Afghanistan Gman May 2014 #17
the asshole who put bush in the oval office now wants paul? what a fucking moron bowens43 May 2014 #18
Nader and Rand? LWolf May 2014 #19
+1. Well said. n/t Laelth May 2014 #30
Nader wouldn't be a "false boogie man" had he not run for president 5 times, nopt taken GOP $$$ to dionysus May 2014 #39
He can run. That's democracy, LWolf May 2014 #45
The American way is to help your neighbor erect his barn aquart May 2014 #52
That's right. LWolf May 2014 #74
It's hard to pull oneself up by the bootstraps Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2014 #67
Yep. LWolf May 2014 #73
Ralph Nader gave us Lt Awol and two un-necessary wars...Fuck him...Twice. truebrit71 May 2014 #21
And what sort of judges would Prez Rand put on the courts, Ralphie? JHB May 2014 #22
I'm sorry - What planet are the Naderites living on? Planet Naderon? chrisa May 2014 #23
Here are some of Ralph Nader's concerns about corporations Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2014 #68
Please be quiet Mr. Nader. You have harmed America enough already.nt ladjf May 2014 #24
This borders on hilarious in its naivete. Arkana May 2014 #26
Rand Paul has voted FOR every pro-corporate, anti worker, anti-consumer NWO Republican bill. blm May 2014 #27
Fuck Nader we can do it May 2014 #28
fuck nader warrior1 May 2014 #29
Nader is a joke and no one should pay any attention to his stupidity Gothmog May 2014 #31
Thanks to Obamacare MurrayDelph May 2014 #33
fuck scalia frylock May 2014 #34
Wow. How can such a smart man be so stupid? n/t Beearewhyain May 2014 #35
he's very old, and judging from the looks of him, he's had a stroke or two...maybe he's got dementia dionysus May 2014 #40
silly Nader, we're only supposed to ADOPT GOP policy, not briefly ally with MisterP May 2014 #36
Well, if I had seen a merest thread of "compromise" from anybody on the right... Wounded Bear May 2014 #37
I file this with everything else Nader has said in the last 15 years.... Rowdyboy May 2014 #38
Nader has been a joke for a while Gothmog May 2014 #41
"Someday"? Most of his voters from 2000 have already seen through his bullshit. Jim Lane May 2014 #44
I wouldn't follow his directions if he were God! CaliforniaPeggy May 2014 #43
I'll one up you JustAnotherGen May 2014 #56
Kiss my liberal, progressive, "white priv'leged" @$$, Ralphie. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #46
Fuck Nader...nt SidDithers May 2014 #47
The libertarian right are economic whack-jobs. HughBeaumont May 2014 #48
Hell no!!!! Like all Republicans, Rand Paul is a snake oil salesman. Initech May 2014 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author woo me with science May 2014 #50
Fuck Nader. Iggo May 2014 #53
Fuck that noise, Ralph Tom Ripley May 2014 #54
No - just no JustAnotherGen May 2014 #55
Reading this thread... CanSocDem May 2014 #57
and then he flushed a lifetime of work and his reputation down the shitter nt arely staircase May 2014 #65
what a sad little man nt arely staircase May 2014 #59
Nader is a doddering old fool. MineralMan May 2014 #60
Someone is confusing liberal with libertarian again? L0oniX May 2014 #61
'Scuse me while I go ralph Blue Owl May 2014 #64
Ralph Nader lost touch with reality 14 years ago Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2014 #66
Ewwww ismnotwasm May 2014 #70
Nader has not only encroached on but entered Skidmore May 2014 #71
wow! alan2102 May 2014 #75
That won't sell here FiveGoodMen May 2014 #81
The last time Nader was ever of any use of 1976. Dawson Leery May 2014 #76
Fuck Nadir. nt WhiteTara May 2014 #78
how can anyone to the left DonCoquixote May 2014 #79
most telling quote DonCoquixote May 2014 #80
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