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In reply to the discussion: Wikileaks Ukraine cable proves US government knew of fascist threat [View all]nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)5. Some creative reading and interpretation of events
Given that the Ukraine application to NATO was rejected. And this is dated 2008 by the way.
¶1. (C) Summary. Following a muted first reaction to
Ukraine's intent to seek a NATO Membership Action Plan (MAP)
at the Bucharest summit (ref A), Foreign Minister Lavrov and
other senior officials have reiterated strong opposition,
stressing that Russia would view further eastward expansion
as a potential military threat. NATO enlargement,
particularly to Ukraine, remains "an emotional and neuralgic"
issue for Russia, but strategic policy considerations also
underlie strong opposition to NATO membership for Ukraine and
Georgia. In Ukraine, these include fears that the issue
could potentially split the country in two, leading to
violence or even, some claim, civil war, which would force
Russia to decide whether to intervene. Additionally, the GOR
and experts continue to claim that Ukrainian NATO membership
would have a major impact on Russia's defense industry,
Russian-Ukrainian family connections, and bilateral relations
generally. In Georgia, the GOR fears continued instability
and "provocative acts" in the separatist regions. End
summary.
MFA: NATO Enlargement "Potential Military Threat to Russia"
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Ukraine's intent to seek a NATO Membership Action Plan (MAP)
at the Bucharest summit (ref A), Foreign Minister Lavrov and
other senior officials have reiterated strong opposition,
stressing that Russia would view further eastward expansion
as a potential military threat. NATO enlargement,
particularly to Ukraine, remains "an emotional and neuralgic"
issue for Russia, but strategic policy considerations also
underlie strong opposition to NATO membership for Ukraine and
Georgia. In Ukraine, these include fears that the issue
could potentially split the country in two, leading to
violence or even, some claim, civil war, which would force
Russia to decide whether to intervene. Additionally, the GOR
and experts continue to claim that Ukrainian NATO membership
would have a major impact on Russia's defense industry,
Russian-Ukrainian family connections, and bilateral relations
generally. In Georgia, the GOR fears continued instability
and "provocative acts" in the separatist regions. End
summary.
MFA: NATO Enlargement "Potential Military Threat to Russia"
--------------------------------------------- --------------
Now both Georgia (South Ossetia should ring a bell here) and the Ukraine are members of NATO...oh wait...that never happened.
The trigger for all this fun was joining NATO, yes some of us can read cables too. The applications were rejected. So tell me what was the intent here? Russia has been the one moving troops and pointing to their Monroe doctrine here.
By the way, trash thread...
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Wikileaks Ukraine cable proves US government knew of fascist threat [View all]
go west young man
May 2014
OP
Couldn't your question be asked completely in reverse to the Kiev coup?
go west young man
May 2014
#80
Do you support Coup D'etats in Democracies as a way to remove leaders? Should we have done that
sabrina 1
May 2014
#103
There was a coup in Ukraine and a president was installed without the consent of a majority of the
sabrina 1
May 2014
#148
Why is Blackwater in Ukraine? There was a coup, the president is not elected. My question was 'who
sabrina 1
May 2014
#120
There Is No Proof They Are, Ma'am: That Is A Sort Of 'Gish-Gallop', Really
The Magistrate
May 2014
#122
My question was simple, 'who elected the President of Ukraine' and you went off into the parliament
sabrina 1
May 2014
#127
My position in my opinion, is based on a gathering of facts from multiple sources across the globe.
sabrina 1
May 2014
#131
Your Position, Ma'am, Is Neither Consistent, Nor Grounded In Realities Of Governance and Revolution
The Magistrate
May 2014
#133
You can't have it both ways. On the one hand, you claim that the government is 'legitimate because
sabrina 1
May 2014
#134
You Are Attempting To Be Reasonable, Ma'am, But Still Distorting Facts Grotesquely
The Magistrate
May 2014
#147
I am speaking the truth. One doesn't have to struggle too hard to tell the truth. It simply is
sabrina 1
May 2014
#149
There is certainly huge resistance to what normally Democrats would be all over, as they were during
sabrina 1
May 2014
#128
No elected Parliament in a Democratic Nation would condone a Coup of the duly elected President.
sabrina 1
May 2014
#130
'A Rose By Any Other Name Would Smell as Sweet'! Of course they change their NAME but they still
sabrina 1
May 2014
#132
If they are, it's the same reason they're anywhere else: someone's paying them to be
Recursion
May 2014
#146
Too late for an election AFTER a coup, don't you think? It's clear that at least half the country
sabrina 1
May 2014
#144
"the US is backing and financing extremely violent right wing nationalist fascists"
Zorra
May 2014
#2
I did not see that quote in the post. Did I miss it or is it from somewhere else? n/t
pampango
May 2014
#13
"But supporting a government that also happens to include right-wing fascists is not putting..
Cha
May 2014
#100
People are dying on both sides...that is obvious to the most basic simpleton...
go west young man
May 2014
#60
I would suggest to Putin that annexing eastern Ukraine will bring NATO to his border.
pampango
May 2014
#12
Will that change the fact that the cable is from 2008 and the OP is pro-Russian spin? n/t
ProSense
May 2014
#70
They are still cooperating with NATO on Afghanistan supplies, but in 2010 they also posted their
jakeXT
May 2014
#71
There are different kind of stages of involvement, Sweden for example has participated in NATO
jakeXT
May 2014
#86
Some observers like Kucinich or Cohen didn't trust the military part, maybe Russia did too
jakeXT
May 2014
#88
Well this is what happened with the new 'legitimate' government in Parliment today.
Obnoxious_One
May 2014
#107
For some reason you think that being anti-nazi equates to thinking that America should
Obnoxious_One
May 2014
#109
Yes I call people that burn people alive and murder them animals, read the article from #65.
Obnoxious_One
May 2014
#111