General Discussion

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)

128. There is certainly huge resistance to what normally Democrats would be all over, as they were during

Sun May 11, 2014, 07:48 PM

May 2014

the Bush years. Frankly I find it appalling and shameful. Blackwater! The word alone should send chills through any decent human being and even a hint of their presence there should immediately demand an investigation. But as you can see, dismissal is the only answer, until I suppose, the talking points are ready.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

149 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

Wikileaks Ukraine cable proves US government knew of fascist threat [View all] go west young man May 2014 OP

Truth will out malaise May 2014 #1

remember that... dvduval May 2014 #23

There is no doubt about that.... go west young man May 2014 #50

so you are for the election Duckhunter935 May 2014 #58

No, I'm for separation.... go west young man May 2014 #68

then they should do it the legal democratic way Duckhunter935 May 2014 #72

Couldn't your question be asked completely in reverse to the Kiev coup? go west young man May 2014 #80

You know what? I see you are not going to look at data nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #95

Post removed Post removed May 2014 #97

Thats real nice Duckhunter935 May 2014 #101

Do you support Coup D'etats in Democracies as a way to remove leaders? Should we have done that sabrina 1 May 2014 #103

No since that did not happen in Ukraine Duckhunter935 May 2014 #105

There was a coup in Ukraine, are you actually denying that? sabrina 1 May 2014 #113

Yes, as the democratically elected Duckhunter935 May 2014 #117

There was no coup in Ukraine Recursion May 2014 #145

There was a coup in Ukraine and a president was installed without the consent of a majority of the sabrina 1 May 2014 #148

question Duckhunter935 May 2014 #112

Who voted for the current president of Ukraine?? sabrina 1 May 2014 #114

Their Elected Parliament, Ma'am The Magistrate May 2014 #115

like talking to a brick wall sir Duckhunter935 May 2014 #118

Why is Blackwater in Ukraine? There was a coup, the president is not elected. My question was 'who sabrina 1 May 2014 #120

There Is No Proof They Are, Ma'am: That Is A Sort Of 'Gish-Gallop', Really The Magistrate May 2014 #122

My question was simple, 'who elected the President of Ukraine' and you went off into the parliament sabrina 1 May 2014 #127

Your Question Was Answered, Ma'am: You Did Not Like It The Magistrate May 2014 #129

My position in my opinion, is based on a gathering of facts from multiple sources across the globe. sabrina 1 May 2014 #131

Your Position, Ma'am, Is Neither Consistent, Nor Grounded In Realities Of Governance and Revolution The Magistrate May 2014 #133

You can't have it both ways. On the one hand, you claim that the government is 'legitimate because sabrina 1 May 2014 #134

There Is no Contradiction, Ma'am The Magistrate May 2014 #137

Had protesters in this country beaten up police, the sabrina 1 May 2014 #143

You Are Attempting To Be Reasonable, Ma'am, But Still Distorting Facts Grotesquely The Magistrate May 2014 #147

I am speaking the truth. One doesn't have to struggle too hard to tell the truth. It simply is sabrina 1 May 2014 #149

What proof do you have that they are not there, though? KoKo May 2014 #135

That Cannot Be Meant Seriously, Ma'am The Magistrate May 2014 #138

I meant it very seriously sir...and you know very well about PNAC and what KoKo May 2014 #139

Then Please Understand, Ma'am The Magistrate May 2014 #140

Honestly ...... I'm not sure what about this is so hard to understand. nt. polly7 May 2014 #123

same here Duckhunter935 May 2014 #126

There is certainly huge resistance to what normally Democrats would be all over, as they were during sabrina 1 May 2014 #128

and the same elected parliment Duckhunter935 May 2014 #125

No elected Parliament in a Democratic Nation would condone a Coup of the duly elected President. sabrina 1 May 2014 #130

They voted for the Rada Duckhunter935 May 2014 #116

open question, please answer Duckhunter935 May 2014 #119

Why is Blackwater in Ukraine? Do you have any information about that? sabrina 1 May 2014 #121

do you have proof Duckhunter935 May 2014 #124

'A Rose By Any Other Name Would Smell as Sweet'! Of course they change their NAME but they still sabrina 1 May 2014 #132

So..why would Ukraine NEED or WANT to hire "Academi" (Blackwater/Xe..etc.)? KoKo May 2014 #136

My guess and only a guess Duckhunter935 May 2014 #141

If they are, it's the same reason they're anywhere else: someone's paying them to be Recursion May 2014 #146

Too late for an election AFTER a coup, don't you think? It's clear that at least half the country sabrina 1 May 2014 #144

"the US is backing and financing extremely violent right wing nationalist fascists" Zorra May 2014 #2

? go west young man May 2014 #3

I did not see that quote in the post. Did I miss it or is it from somewhere else? n/t pampango May 2014 #13

Just one question... Scootaloo May 2014 #14

That's a little harsh DisgustipatedinCA May 2014 #19

Why? Is the question..? newthinking May 2014 #142

The U.S. Govt's. intentions are fairly clear to me. stillwaiting May 2014 #4

Some creative reading and interpretation of events nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #5

Nadin.... go west young man May 2014 #7

This is why the application to NATO nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #11

Absolutely silly on it's face... go west young man May 2014 #15

So the Ukraine joined NATO? nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #17

So your arguing... go west young man May 2014 #20

IF THEY JOINED NATO Desert805 May 2014 #33

I see your deriving what you like and coming up go west young man May 2014 #37

No you're being confronted with facts that refute your rant. Benton D Struckcheon May 2014 #41

"what the fuck happened to it?" PoliticalPothead May 2014 #61

On the money. go west young man May 2014 #81

Operative words from the same cable nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #51

Nadin, go west young man May 2014 #52

I am not making your case nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #54

When did I mention isolationism? go west young man May 2014 #57

I get it, I get it, the US is evil and the rest of the world nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #59

I guess I can only wish I was as remarkable as you.... go west young man May 2014 #62

I am telling you to get the course work nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #74

Sorry, you struck out on this one nadin. polly7 May 2014 #63

Nice misreading nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #73

Your own words - own them. nt. polly7 May 2014 #75

Which you proceeded to misrepresent nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #79

For misrepresnting what I said, nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #93

Nah ........ I didn't represent what you said. polly7 May 2014 #94

Peace. go west young man May 2014 #98

Is this advocating some sort of U.S. military intervention on our part? randome May 2014 #6

It is a revealing moment... go west young man May 2014 #8

No one can predict the future. There were risks, of course. randome May 2014 #10

What's your point on the cable being 6 years old? go west young man May 2014 #16

"Legitimate interests," according to Lavrov. randome May 2014 #22

If you don't see the fascist aspect you choose to be blind. go west young man May 2014 #26

I don't know how anyone can deny it anymore. polly7 May 2014 #31

Great post and great links. go west young man May 2014 #39

Aww ... no, I'm very far from that, polly7 May 2014 #42

And China does business with the U.S., which has its own right-wing fascists. randome May 2014 #38

It is direct support for murder....right now.... go west young man May 2014 #40

and Germany and Duckhunter935 May 2014 #43

"But supporting a government that also happens to include right-wing fascists is not putting.. Cha May 2014 #100

This message was self-deleted by its author polly7 May 2014 #18

Thanks Polly.... go west young man May 2014 #21

I agree completely .... and well said. polly7 May 2014 #24

Me too.... go west young man May 2014 #32

do you feel the same way Duckhunter935 May 2014 #36

Show me the photos.... go west young man May 2014 #46

You also have videos Duckhunter935 May 2014 #49

People are dying on both sides...that is obvious to the most basic simpleton... go west young man May 2014 #60

....+1 840high May 2014 #96

Of course Russia's fears are validated malaise May 2014 #45

its over 6 years old Duckhunter935 May 2014 #9

I would suggest to Putin that annexing eastern Ukraine will bring NATO to his border. pampango May 2014 #12

like duh. and so? what do we do? please. this is hoopla. pansypoo53219 May 2014 #25

Excellent post..... go west young man May 2014 #82

Feb.2008. Get real. blm May 2014 #27

Playing the fascist card will only run into a wall of moral equivalency Jack Rabbit May 2014 #28

well put. nt arely staircase May 2014 #30

Personally I see what I think is a bigger picture.... go west young man May 2014 #35

To really get a big picture, you should expand your horizons Jack Rabbit May 2014 #55

People said the same about Putin in regards to Georgia in 2008... go west young man May 2014 #64

Alas, none in the west used the term Novorossiya nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #90

New Russia has been being used since Putin came to power. go west young man May 2014 #91

Yes, care to use the Google a tad more nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #92

This message was self-deleted by its author go west young man May 2014 #99

Another thing... go west young man May 2014 #66

You are seriously ProSense May 2014 #67

Maybe you should research "The Great Game".... go west young man May 2014 #69

Will that change the fact that the cable is from 2008 and the OP is pro-Russian spin? n/t ProSense May 2014 #70

The Op is anti-fascist focused... go west young man May 2014 #77

LOL! "Russia is not in this equation at this point... " ProSense May 2014 #78

Writes the person..... go west young man May 2014 #83

You've really accomplished something, young man Jack Rabbit May 2014 #89

Exactly, Mr. Rabbit The Magistrate May 2014 #44

Thank you, sir Jack Rabbit May 2014 #56

Putin is the fascist threat. nt arely staircase May 2014 #29

WTF???? Benton D Struckcheon May 2014 #34

EU - Ukraine Association Agenda jakeXT May 2014 #47

Bullshit. Benton D Struckcheon May 2014 #53

They are still cooperating with NATO on Afghanistan supplies, but in 2010 they also posted their jakeXT May 2014 #71

So they consider NATO on their borders a number one threat, Benton D Struckcheon May 2014 #84

There are different kind of stages of involvement, Sweden for example has participated in NATO jakeXT May 2014 #86

And? Benton D Struckcheon May 2014 #87

Some observers like Kucinich or Cohen didn't trust the military part, maybe Russia did too jakeXT May 2014 #88

A cable from 2008??? No shit...got anything from the current decade???? nt msanthrope May 2014 #48

I've already address this question numerous times above. go west young man May 2014 #85

We are really on the wrong side of history on the matter Obnoxious_One May 2014 #65

Thanks for this..... go west young man May 2014 #76

Jen Psaki, looks like a human being. Obnoxious_One May 2014 #102

This is how our 'allies' in Svobda get the media to cooperate. Obnoxious_One May 2014 #104

In the East they just kidnap reporters Duckhunter935 May 2014 #106

Well this is what happened with the new 'legitimate' government in Parliment today. Obnoxious_One May 2014 #107

well they did not murder him Duckhunter935 May 2014 #108

For some reason you think that being anti-nazi equates to thinking that America should Obnoxious_One May 2014 #109

so you are calling the elected Ukranian government Duckhunter935 May 2014 #110

Yes I call people that burn people alive and murder them animals, read the article from #65. Obnoxious_One May 2014 #111