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Proud Liberal Dem

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43. The war happened for three main reasons IMHO:
Tue May 20, 2014, 12:29 AM
May 2014

1. Bush, Cheney, et. al desperately wanted the war no matter what- though nobody knows why exactly for sure other than them (though there were certainly plenty of benefits thereof, at least initially). With Congress in Republican hands and no major dissension among their ranks, there was nothing or nobody able or willing to stop him, which they might not have been able to do anyway. I had briefly hoped that Colin Powell- having cautioned against regime change in Iraq following GW1 (along with Bush's father and, ironically enough, Dick Cheney)- might talk Bush Jr. out of this bad idea but he ultimately folded and did what his boss wanted him to do- much to his disgrace. Once Powell signed on to the endeavor, I knew that the war was inevitable.

2. There was not much, if anything, anybody could do to stop Bush from doing what he wanted to do. Some Democrats may have voted for the IWR (what they were actually voting for is still debatable) but Bush could have still have easily ignored the defeat of the resolution in Congress and would've done what he wanted to do anyway even if it had failed. He wasn't willing to gamble on another UN vote to get formal international approval for the war and, hell, even the UN Weapons Inspectors were clear that they had not been able to find WMDs after searching the country for months and were still working when they were pulled out in the midst of the start of the invasion and neither of these things fazed him and his (mis-)administration one bit.

3. A lot of people were scared about something else really bad happening to them and were more easily able to be sufficiently spooked into going to war in the wake of 9/11. Few people, let alone politicians, could say with absolute crystal-clear certainty that Saddam Hussein did NOT have any WMDs and I'm sure that nobody in office wanted to be the person who opposed the war only to find out later they were tragically wrong- even if the odds of being wrong were slim to none. Dems like Hillary probably should have known better but even her husband was concerned that Saddam Hussein might still be holding on to a few WMDs since nobody had been in Iraq snooping around for at least 5 years.

It would have been better if Dems had spoken out more and withheld their *support* for the endeavor (if for no other reason than principle) but none of the Dems in Congress were chomping at the bit for the war AFAIK and would never have instigated it. That period of time from 2001-2006 were some of the darkest times for our democracy IMHO.

It was a rather bipartisan effort, iirc Cal Carpenter May 2014 #1
A mouse turd size of effort compared to elephant WhiteTara May 2014 #5
thank you…. dhill926 May 2014 #7
Okay, and actions speak louder than words Cal Carpenter May 2014 #8
And those votes were not at all influenced jeff47 May 2014 #11
The drum beat was relentless and the attacks on WhiteTara May 2014 #14
Agreed. Thanks, WhiteTara. n/t freshwest May 2014 #24
The war happened for three main reasons IMHO: Proud Liberal Dem May 2014 #43
The warmongering was bipartisan Jesus Malverde May 2014 #18
Joe Lieberman was only technically a democrat WhiteTara May 2014 #36
democrats were the ones lied into supporting the bullshit. spanone May 2014 #40
i remember this... SummerSnow May 2014 #2
I'm convinced ... lpbk2713 May 2014 #3
It's a talking point shared by many of the anti-Democrat DUers, too. baldguy May 2014 #4
Yes I see that up above Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2014 #9
They are rewriting history... butterfly77 May 2014 #6
So Monkey Bush Was a Democrat Wolf Frankula May 2014 #10
When is Obama going to apologize for allowing those airliners to crash into the World Trade Center? tclambert May 2014 #12
Got any pointers to where you are hearing that? Count me skeptical. n/t fleabiscuit May 2014 #13
Hearing this a lot lately where? (I do not expect an answer.) Luminous Animal May 2014 #15
I actually heard something like this not too long ago at work. xmas74 May 2014 #19
Holy bat guano, Batman! Art_from_Ark May 2014 #41
The best thing to do is to never, ever engage him in discussion besides xmas74 May 2014 #42
One especially cynical neuron is firing that this may be a future useful op to bookmark. n/t fleabiscuit May 2014 #20
I promised myself... Bigmack May 2014 #16
The war mongering was bipartisan. Jesus Malverde May 2014 #17
+10000000 Particularly when you ALSO then entrench, justify, and expand woo me with science May 2014 #22
and now even bringing up IWR will be "playing into the GOP's hands" MisterP May 2014 #23
Hillary and Kerry voted for it because they thought it politically expedient. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2014 #21
Either way, they were at fault -- but less so than Shrub and the gang Jim Lane May 2014 #25
Not as bad? They voted for, and in Hillary's case, supported Bush's wars. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2014 #27
Bush was still the principal instigator. Jim Lane May 2014 #29
I remember Colin Powell's speech at the U.N. oldandhappy May 2014 #26
War is peace. Truth is lies. It's 30 years after 1984, written in 1948 to show merrily May 2014 #28
You're mixing up your dystopias. Jim Lane May 2014 #30
I haven't heard that. Do you have some links? cali May 2014 #31
Pushing toothpaste back into the tube Zambero May 2014 #32
This isn't a new talking point per se Kalidurga May 2014 #33
Just practice for doublethink, demanded daily of us by propagandists. woo me with science May 2014 #34
Yeah, your probably right both sides do a bit of that flipping Kalidurga May 2014 #38
Wonderful post. nt Demo_Chris May 2014 #45
This theory is delusional Gothmog May 2014 #35
Cheney/Bush was the perpetrator, but many Dems were complicit. Martin Eden May 2014 #37
What's even worse is they pretend 9/11 didn't happen on their watch. n/t pnwmom May 2014 #39
The Iraq war started in 1990. Why Syzygy May 2014 #44
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