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In reply to the discussion: Children Need Pit Bulls: A Picture Book [View all]DirkGently
(12,151 posts)223. Oh dear. You understand what an "anecdote" is, right?
Last edited Mon Jul 7, 2014, 02:42 PM - Edit history (1)
No amount of individual "stories" proves a generalization about groups of individuals. True of people. True of dogs.
You're the Australian Shepherd fancier, aren't you? Good to see you.
But as we've discussed, that excellent breed has its own deadly anecdotes, too.
Your logic is a perfect example of the confirmation bias illogic at work here. It's quite the same as racist logic. Interpret actions of members of your own group as the misdoings of an individual. Attribute acts of another group to inherent problems with all of "them."
Right?
A 3 year old Worth County is recovering Sunday from a dog attack. The little girl was playing at her neighbors house when an Australian Shepherd, a typically friendly dog, mauled her face.
"He bit me," says Summer Gray, Dog Attack Victim. 3 year old Summer Gray is recovering from a dog attack. "He has sharp teeth," says Summer Gray.
She was playing at a neighbors house Saturday afternoon in Sylvester when an Australian Shepherd mauled her.
"He bit me," says Summer Gray, Dog Attack Victim. 3 year old Summer Gray is recovering from a dog attack. "He has sharp teeth," says Summer Gray.
She was playing at a neighbors house Saturday afternoon in Sylvester when an Australian Shepherd mauled her.
http://www.walb.com/story/16679796/dog-attacks-3-yr-old-girl
BRADENTON, Fla. - Two Australian Shepherd dogs are the Grinches who managed to ruin the Christmas holiday for Justin Curtis and his family.
The dogs left him with stitches and on crutches after attacking him on Christmas Eve as he tried to give the mailman a letter his father forget to send out.
The dogs left him with stitches and on crutches after attacking him on Christmas Eve as he tried to give the mailman a letter his father forget to send out.
http://www.abcactionnews.com/news/region-sarasota-manatee/bradenton/deputies-man-steps-in-to-help-13-year-old-boy-being-attacked-by-dogs-both-bitten
Anyone can play games with anecdotes. It's the bias with which they are intepreted that matters.
Do you actually imagine you couldn't find the same kinds of stories with all kinds of breeds? The two Aussie Shepherd stories took about 20 seconds to find.
The Facts
According to the American Veterinary Medicine Association, controlled studies have not identified this breed group as disproportionately dangerous. The American Temperance Testing Society (ATTS) puts thousands of dogs purebreds and spayed and neutered mixed-breeds through their paces each year. The dogs are tested for skittishness, aggression and their ability to differentiate between threatening and non-threatening humans. Among all of the breeds ATTS tested over 30,000 dogs through May 2011 83 percent passed the test. How did pit bulls do? They showed an above average temperament, with 86 percent making the grade. Pit bulls are the second most tolerant breed tested by ATTS, after only golden retreivers.
According to the American Veterinary Medicine Association, controlled studies have not identified this breed group as disproportionately dangerous. The American Temperance Testing Society (ATTS) puts thousands of dogs purebreds and spayed and neutered mixed-breeds through their paces each year. The dogs are tested for skittishness, aggression and their ability to differentiate between threatening and non-threatening humans. Among all of the breeds ATTS tested over 30,000 dogs through May 2011 83 percent passed the test. How did pit bulls do? They showed an above average temperament, with 86 percent making the grade. Pit bulls are the second most tolerant breed tested by ATTS, after only golden retreivers.
http://www.salon.com/2013/02/05/in_defense_of_the_pitbull_partner/
A fistful of anecdotes does not add up to the kind of anti-breed paranoia argued for now. Plenty of other dogs have been subjected to the Super Murder Dog myth.
As Karen Delise details in her book, in the 19th century, bloodhounds were believed to be inherently vicious, having a taste for human blood. Eventually, she writes, these bloodhounds fell from view, and we pushed other dogs into the spotlight, including the German Shepherd dog and the Doberman Pinscher. (Dobermans were widely believed to have abnormally small brains, turning them into mindless killers, but this, like the pit bulls locking jaws, was simply a myth.) Other breeds that have haunted the popular imagination in the past include mastiffs and Newfoundlands. In Canada, Siberian huskies have often played the role of killer-hound
So it remains the case that making "Pitbulls" as the Super Killer Murder Dog is a new thing, born of the same biases and mythology that made bloodhounds and Shepherds and Dobies and so many others the canine bogeymen (bogeydogs?) of the past.
Thanks for implying people who don't fall for this silly anti-dog bigoted mythology nonsense "nutters," by the way. I assume you are including the CDC and the American Veterinary Medicine Association in this thoughtful observation.
Although, I think a better case for defective reasoning or mental imbalance could be shown where someone who owns one kind of dog resolutely discounts anecdotes of that breed's "dangerous" behavior as irrelevant, while trying to make a case that similar anecdotes about another breed prove its inherent inferiority?
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Pit Bulls are killed out of unreasoned hatred, uninformed fear & outright prejudice.
baldguy
Jun 2014
#7
Untrue - the three most aggressive breeds are Dachshunds, Chis and Jack Russell Terriers
adigal
Jun 2014
#150
Ok show me a youtube video of a 911 call "My Chihuahua is killing my mother and I can't stop him!!!!
Hassin Bin Sober
Jun 2014
#214
You're mistaken. Killing machine stories go back at least a hundred years.
Boudica the Lyoness
Jul 2014
#221
Bullshit! The BSLs you support take away well-behaved, properly socialized dogs from their families
baldguy
Jun 2014
#31
You support BSLs. BSLs kill innocent dogs & deprives their humans of loving family members.
baldguy
Jun 2014
#39
Breed Specific Legislation, which goes along with fearing or hating all dogs of a particular style
uppityperson
Jun 2014
#60
Far from it. All guns should be registered & all gun owners should be licensed.
baldguy
Jun 2014
#114
You put the "rights" of inanimate objects over those of living, breathing, FEELING creatures?
baldguy
Jun 2014
#120
This sweetie looks just like my neighbor's Pit that chased off some creep following me home
IVoteDFL
Jun 2014
#183
As you imply, we humans should breed dogs for companionship and behavioral traits...
targetpractice
Jun 2014
#15
A gun death by suicide is less dead than a gun death by murder? Sorry, it don't work that way.
baldguy
Jun 2014
#43
Guns can not be trained not to shoot. 10,000 kids are injured each year by guns, with 500 dead.
baldguy
Jun 2014
#48
Children probably shouldn't be around dogs capable of such immense bite pressures.
Gravitycollapse
Jun 2014
#14
I have wondered for some time - which group originated this "you cannot identify" meme
DrDan
Jun 2014
#62
Eck. Cheap shot. And it's simply the truth regarding pit bulls, like it or not.
DirkGently
Jun 2014
#65
Of course whenever you want to post a media account of a courageous pit
whatchamacallit
Jun 2014
#71
I don't remember any cases of a poodle ripping out the tongue of a child, or any other breed for
DrDan
Jun 2014
#147
the facts are clear - pits do MORE than their share of bites, deaths, maulings, and tragedy
DrDan
Jun 2014
#177
You are taking one attack, which has extraordinary circumstances, nd painting a whole breed
adigal
Jun 2014
#158
We had a family friend have their 3 year old's penis and testicles torn off by a pitt bull
joeglow3
Jun 2014
#179
I have students who characterize an entire race of people as bad or lazy because of a few kids
adigal
Jun 2014
#161
no hatred or fear - just able to see the violence and havoc these dog create daily
DrDan
Jun 2014
#162
I'm sure that was a sad and horrific experience for your son and wife to go through....
De Leonist
Jun 2014
#64
The Dane that attacked me was an intact male, a pregnant female was on the premises.
beam me up scottie
Jun 2014
#90
A friend had 2 mixed breed dogs of different physical compositions. Guess which one bit, was deemed
uppityperson
Jun 2014
#86
I have rescued hundreds of pitbulls and the only dog that ever bit one of my kids
adigal
Jun 2014
#151
You are one of those rare people that make me think there is still hope for the human species.
beam me up scottie
Jun 2014
#116
Well, balls, I think I should quit posting for the day on that note.
WorseBeforeBetter
Jun 2014
#119
The injuries inflicted upon me by animals pale in comparison to the damage done by humans.
beam me up scottie
Jun 2014
#122
To the people who want to ban Pit Bulls: How would that work, exactly?
beam me up scottie
Jun 2014
#113
My family is dogsitting a pitbull for a friend, and he's one of the sweetest dogs I've met
killbotfactory
Jun 2014
#125
in our local shelter, 50 of 60 available dogs are pitbull mixes "surrendered by owner"
kwassa
Jun 2014
#129
Maybe you should ask the owners. Some people just shouldn't be allowed to have a dog.
baldguy
Jun 2014
#131