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BlueMTexpat

(15,366 posts)
28. Oh, come on, Manny, YOU
Sun Jul 20, 2014, 04:37 AM
Jul 2014

seem to be the one putting people into pigeonholes and questioning our loyalty if we don't believe exactly as you do.

So where would I fall?

I do not totally trust the USG or ANY government, for that matter, but I am certainly no libertarian and know that we need government, although that government needs improvement. I actually worked for the USG at a fairly senior career level pre-Bush II. I left to take an international career opportunity some years before the heart-breaking 2000 "selection" and no, I do not think that I will EVER get over that or the rigged 2004 "election."

I staunchly support this President, even as I am heartsick over and question some of his actions/omissions.

I lived through Nixon-Ford, Raygun, Bush I and Bush II (in fact, my experience actually goes back to FDR's waning years). NO Democratic President was EVER as bad for this country as a whole as ANY GOP President in my experience (Ike was more like a Dem). EVER. And no Dem President ever will be. But there has not been one since FDR who did everything I wanted him to and every single one of them had their failings. After all, they were/are human.

There are many - in fact, the overwhelming majority of USG career civil servants (as well as state and international civil servants, btw) - who work to serve people all over the globe in so many heroic ways that most will never hear of - but there are also some few, especially those who are political appointees and their toadies, who tarnish the reputation of all by working for an agenda that is basically self-serving. Such people are literal scabs on the a** of humanity.

I do not trust ANY US M$M corporate media, although some cable commenters and OpEd writers (and our wonderful "comedians&quot are worthy of trust if for no reason other than they question the mainstream narrative. I do believe that we are being fed a M$M corporate narrative on Ukraine and we need more objective views. RT is not the only alternative source, btw, but if we are truly to be objective, we should actually know what RT says and not automatically dismiss it. The "truth" is likely somewhere in between. As I live primarily in Europe and speak other languages, I hear/read a lot of discussion that I do NOT see/hear in US news sources.

I do think that there is an unseemly rush to fix blame in this case for whatever reason, and that we should ALL be healthily skeptical and actually seek facts before making judgments. The US certainly does not have a good track record generally in finding/using/accepting facts. After all, it is certainly US-manufactured missiles that are currently killing people in Gaza, so by the logic currently in vogue, President Obama is every bit as responsible for those deaths as Putin is for a Russian-made missile being used (if it actually was Russian-made) to kill people in the Malaysian Airlines jet - more so in that separatist forces are non-State actors who are not under State control. Israel is a State actor that should be abiding by international law. I would actually LOL here since that is a seemingly preposterous prospect, given the consistent US backing for whatever actions it takes.

I do believe, however, that Obama has demonstrated time and again, whatever his public rhetoric, that he is a thoughtful person who does not make hasty decisions and he does have access to a LOT more facts than any of us here at DU do.

Does any of this mean that I am a Putin lover? No, it doesn't. Does it mean that I don't question my government's actions? Absolutely not. I have every right to according to my Constitution.

It does mean that I am a typical DU'er who really tries to understand what is happening and what it means. Things are never just black and white.

I don't appreciate being lumped into ANY pigeonhole by you or anyone else. I LOVE your passion, but please don't alienate those of us with whom you likely have more in common than not.

Doth protest too much-way Manny? geek tragedy Jul 2014 #1
Well, I'm impressed. MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #2
The state that invaded its neighbor and created geek tragedy Jul 2014 #5
Ok, what's the comparative death toll? MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #11
Thanks for confirming that you prefer Putin geek tragedy Jul 2014 #17
That's not what I said. MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #21
Dude---a Geek just ate your lunch. trumad Jul 2014 #68
way to prove the OP's point nashville_brook Jul 2014 #34
ROFL! woo me with science Jul 2014 #35
You are good!! Third Way Manny is spinning in circles!! Next he will claim that Obama himself Pisces Jul 2014 #46
Are you still unable to answer my question? nt MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #57
LMFAO L0oniX Jul 2014 #59
And why do you refuse to answer my question? MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #23
Pull that from your files? nt Union Scribe Jul 2014 #3
Amazing technology I possess. geek tragedy Jul 2014 #6
You found a member's tweets that way? MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #8
You never said whether you agree with those Tweets geek tragedy Jul 2014 #12
You think I'd agree with that crap? MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #15
You said the one election of the past 30 years geek tragedy Jul 2014 #20
I hope you're drunk. MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #22
Reminds me of that other site Union Scribe Jul 2014 #13
Do you think people post stuff on Twitter hoping geek tragedy Jul 2014 #24
Oh so you just use the search function Union Scribe Jul 2014 #10
And they find members' tweets MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #14
And then demand we comment on them lol. Union Scribe Jul 2014 #18
Ummm...check out the site search function at the top of the screen. Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #9
Ouch! MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #19
So you're comparing that to wanting to overturn the election of Obama? Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #25
Wouldn't be different... SidDithers Jul 2014 #56
Those files are all out of date. Autumn Jul 2014 #50
And if you're a top-5% income-bracket Ivy Leaguer, you're a credible spokesman for "the 99%" (n/t) Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #4
I smell a powerful new meme in the making MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #7
How about asking questions? RobertEarl Jul 2014 #16
I think it's proven by a totally bipartisan readership delrem Jul 2014 #26
K&R! DeSwiss Jul 2014 #27
Oh, come on, Manny, YOU BlueMTexpat Jul 2014 #28
Thank you for your well reasoned post Skidmore Jul 2014 #36
I'm not sure... do you realize my post is satire? MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #48
OK, Manny, thanks for the response. BlueMTexpat Jul 2014 #60
The challenge is that *real* posts have gotten so nutty MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #62
! xchrom Jul 2014 #29
your routine has worn thin. cali Jul 2014 #30
Sounds like a poor pitiful me post countingbluecars Jul 2014 #31
No, you're not right. You're more center pnwmom Jul 2014 #32
No, you're not right XRubicon Jul 2014 #33
Yet another thread from Look-at-me Manny...nt SidDithers Jul 2014 #37
Performance art at this point. nt msanthrope Jul 2014 #39
I see lots of performin' but not much "art" Number23 Jul 2014 #63
LOL ananda Jul 2014 #38
Does this schtick have an expiration date? boston bean Jul 2014 #40
"If you don't totally trust the US government, then you love Putin. " avebury Jul 2014 #41
! DeSwiss Jul 2014 #64
Manny, you attempt to speak with several different MineralMan Jul 2014 #42
His 'thirdway manny' shtick jumped the shark the first time he used it. wyldwolf Jul 2014 #47
Satire Bobbie Jo Jul 2014 #70
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Jul 2014 #43
Embrace your inner Alex Jones. nt sufrommich Jul 2014 #44
!! DeSwiss Jul 2014 #65
Trashcanning. Skidmore Jul 2014 #45
Warren isn't running, you should find a better use for that space in your OP snooper2 Jul 2014 #49
What, you're giving my halitosis a pass? MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #51
I wasn't complaining I was edumacating you snooper2 Jul 2014 #54
Captain strawman to the rescue!! JoePhilly Jul 2014 #52
+1 treestar Jul 2014 #66
LOL. tridim Jul 2014 #53
4. If you point this out you are an attention seeking troll. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #55
Ok ...I confess ...I love Putin. L0oniX Jul 2014 #58
And if you love Putin, because of items 1 through 3, you must also love Snowden and Glen Greenwald.. cascadiance Jul 2014 #61
Let facts/history determine policy (not policy determine 'facts') and we will be fine. pampango Jul 2014 #67
But THOM HARTZMANNZ WERKZ FER PUTINZZZ! nt raouldukelives Jul 2014 #69
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