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DirkGently

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9. Not "we." THEY. Why would Obama conflate us with Neocon idiots?

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 01:51 PM

Aug 2014

The idea that once some horrible deception and crime has been accomplished, it forever gets a pass, lest 'Murica admit fault, is exactly the kind of rationale that led to these despicable horrors in the first place. It's the logic by which the Cheneys and Rumsfelds of the world justify themselves.

If "We" are just like that, then we stand for nothing at all.

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Pres. Obama says torture happened because we were 'afraid,' ignoring those who stood up against it [View all] bigtree Aug 2014 OP

Neocons circling wagons, covering asses... n/t whatchamacallit Aug 2014 #1

Thank you for posting this pscot Aug 2014 #2

The Bush Administration had the ability to know what was torture and what was not, they choose Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #3

Salutes to those individuals. malthaussen Aug 2014 #4

it happened b/c the people doing it knew there would be zero consequences leftyohiolib Aug 2014 #5

Excellent idea. We should honor those unsung heroes, especially Joe Darby. nt SunSeeker Aug 2014 #6

Top officials of the Bush Administration approved the torture of prisoners mrdmk Aug 2014 #7

No excuse for torture, Mr. President rickyhall Aug 2014 #8

Its Shameful warrant46 Aug 2014 #37

Not "we." THEY. Why would Obama conflate us with Neocon idiots? DirkGently Aug 2014 #9

Oh, those scolds? MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #10

Those bastards! Enthusiast Aug 2014 #44

It seems that as soon as Democrats take power... kentuck Aug 2014 #11

It's called cowardice. DrBulldog Aug 2014 #17

I think it would more accurately called an "arrangement". Enthusiast Aug 2014 #38

That and "complicit" BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #42

I think it is part of both. It is certainly easier to rationalize "going along" if you are a coward. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #58

Well, when it comes to defending their country in a situation where they might get their ass shot tularetom Aug 2014 #43

Precisely. Enthusiast Aug 2014 #45

Another name that should be featured in the OP BlueMTexpat Aug 2014 #12

Beware when an organization picks you as the person to 'find out what really happened'. n/t PoliticAverse Aug 2014 #22

thanks for the addition bigtree Aug 2014 #53

The International Criminal Court at the Hague can Cyrano Aug 2014 #13

If the leader of the Democratic Party apologizes for torturers, then the Party has lost its soul BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #14

+1! SammyWinstonJack Aug 2014 #33

PLUS ONE, a whole bunch! Enthusiast Aug 2014 #35

"if torture is not a line in the sand, then I don't know what is." Enthusiast Aug 2014 #36

We cannot be Hypocrites BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #40

+ another Scuba Aug 2014 #56

And thus the biggest fraidy-cat of them all is ... DrBulldog Aug 2014 #15

Glad to see people talking about this - even if the dems TBF Aug 2014 #16

I wasn't afraid. Iggo Aug 2014 #18

Me neither Laughing Mirror Aug 2014 #25

There's a word for that. Iggo Aug 2014 #26

I wasn't either. SammyWinstonJack Aug 2014 #34

K&R Solly Mack Aug 2014 #19

if evidence of torture was released as it was happening, the Snowden haters would have been whereisjustice Aug 2014 #20

kick and rec for incredible relevance...and sadness. NRaleighLiberal Aug 2014 #21

but recognizing the real heroes shows up the torturers were deem merely overzealous in their MisterP Aug 2014 #23

"the real heroes" ...correct! G_j Aug 2014 #39

what Obama said is in fact more insidious than "they were skeert"--it's saying MisterP Aug 2014 #46

Rewards go to the mediocre and to the malicious, while the excellent and the courageous are Bluenorthwest Aug 2014 #24

anyone can strive for justice, it takes a special kind of person to justify torture whereisjustice Aug 2014 #28

Yep. Helluva job, Brownie, and suchlike. Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2014 #50

Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. whereisjustice Aug 2014 #27

We have seen it played out right before our eyes. Enthusiast Aug 2014 #32

Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Aug 2014 #29

DURec leftstreet Aug 2014 #30

There are probably a couple of other names that could be added to the list of those Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #31

+1 BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #41

agreed bigtree Aug 2014 #54

It wasn't fear... sendero Aug 2014 #47

The fear was discovering how many Democratic pols backed it and holding them accountable. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2014 #48

Torture didn't happen because *we* were afraid. winter is coming Aug 2014 #49

I agree with you. Torture is a popular tool for tyrants. nm rhett o rick Aug 2014 #57

laws exist to govern behavior and set standards in precisely those circumstances.... mike_c Aug 2014 #51

Bush and Obama seem to think that cowardice is a good excuse. Vattel Aug 2014 #52

» bigtree Aug 2014 #55

The media is complicit in rendering aid to torture apologists. nilesobek Aug 2014 #59

Prosecution isn't happening because he's still afraid. n/t Orsino Aug 2014 #60