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Bonhomme Richard

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103. In the country I grew up in torturers were always the bad guy.

Mon Aug 4, 2014, 01:56 PM

Aug 2014

I'm not naive. I am sure we have tortured in the past whether an interrogator that simply lost it or someone who thought they could get away with it.....human nature and bad shit happens.
But.............................when a Government makes torture Official Policy and the nation go along with it.....that is the day that the United States of America begins the slide to the dark side.

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CPP bigtree Aug 2014 #1

"... the single most revolting thing this president ever said in public." Yep, and he sure lost me. Scuba Aug 2014 #2

LOL like he ever had you. Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #4

In 2008 and again in 2012 I spent countless hours working on his campaigns. Scuba Aug 2014 #6

Uh huh. Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #7

Apparently in your mind my criticisms of the President .... Scuba Aug 2014 #8

The problem isn't criticism - it's constant criticism... Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #11

I've criticized him when he deserved it, and applauded him when he deserved that. Scuba Aug 2014 #14

That's the problem... Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #23

"... not as articulate ..." Total rubbish. And for you to have the temerity to decide what ... Scuba Aug 2014 #29

Mkay. Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #33

Yeah, I'm new Needa Moment Aug 2014 #44

Welcome aboard... ReRe Aug 2014 #75

why, thank you ReRe... Needa Moment Aug 2014 #93

OK then LondonReign2 Aug 2014 #45

Not as articulate as he should have been? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #38

It wasn't a speech. Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #41

I agree wholeheartedly. sadoldgirl Aug 2014 #59

The war criminals who used and authorized torture JDPriestly Aug 2014 #48

Maybe they should... Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #49

The US investigated and determined that torture took place. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #54

And everyone knew Obama was not going to charge... Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #60

It also wasn't necessary to refer to war criminals as patriots. Enthusiast Aug 2014 #82

Maybe Obama won't go after Bush because Obama is responsible for continuing the torture? L0oniX Aug 2014 #96

The President Enthusiast Aug 2014 #112

Do you think he continues it? Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #113

24,000+ posts and you lob out a whopper like that? Sheepshank Aug 2014 #114

If only...... yeoman6987 Aug 2014 #94

You are probably right. But at least an international body could make a declaration, JDPriestly Aug 2014 #95

I concur, Drunken Irsihman. cheapdate Aug 2014 #62

Huh? arikara Aug 2014 #100

I think you make a fair point. nt MADem Aug 2014 #53

I did, too. Hissyspit Aug 2014 #12

If you want. Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #13

I didn't say he has lost me. Hissyspit Aug 2014 #18

Then why are you even replying? Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #19

Read my edit. Hissyspit Aug 2014 #20

I don't disagree with your edit. Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #24

He lost me the day he waved off sulphurdunn Aug 2014 #32

I respect that reason more than those who lost it over a press conference. Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #39

You don't have to 840high Aug 2014 #36

hey, DU (and DI), is bigtree a supporter of President Obama? bigtree Aug 2014 #16

Obviously not. Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #17

wow. You really are determined to discredit critics here. bigtree Aug 2014 #25

You asked a question. I answered. Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #27

ah, but, the hair-splitter in you must realize that your issue with Scuba above bigtree Aug 2014 #35

If it's not about you it's not about you. Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #51

As a former Obama supporter, I agree. sulphurdunn Aug 2014 #40

I'll vouch for what you're saying MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #72

you should remember, Manny bigtree Aug 2014 #73

You sound ridiculous. nt Union Scribe Aug 2014 #84

No kidding! SammyWinstonJack Aug 2014 #120

People Don't Want To Admit... supercats Aug 2014 #3

Yup. Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #9

I feel pres. Obama has a Needa Moment Aug 2014 #46

I hate to admit it, but in my thinking he became Reagan 5. LiberalArkie Aug 2014 #10

Dear Lord, yet another Bush=Obama post Sheepshank Aug 2014 #115

The "folksy" thing, and the "patriot" thing truebluegreen Aug 2014 #5

I was astonshished to hear our president acknowledge toture. cheapdate Aug 2014 #15

It's not the use of the word torture obxhead Aug 2014 #22

That's a justification that millions of Americans, cheapdate Aug 2014 #34

"...justifiable ethically as well as in practical terms." OnyxCollie Aug 2014 #69

How sanctimonious. cheapdate Aug 2014 #70

Fuck international treaties. OnyxCollie Aug 2014 #71

I don't know what it is.... ReRe Aug 2014 #77

Thank you, ReRe. Enthusiast Aug 2014 #86

Truth, justice and the American way ...was just Superman tv show and comic book propaganda. L0oniX Aug 2014 #97

Apparently any criticism of Obama clouds this issue, among others. SammyWinstonJack Aug 2014 #121

I'm not going to join you in the gutter, OnyxCollie. cheapdate Aug 2014 #90

Demanding adherence to norms, laws, and treaties is "the gutter," OnyxCollie Aug 2014 #101

No, not being able to to debate an argument cheapdate Aug 2014 #107

When will those tortured get their justice? OnyxCollie Aug 2014 #108

OH MY DOG! SammyWinstonJack Aug 2014 #122

Plussed, kicked and acknowledged as a fine post. Enthusiast Aug 2014 #118

how about that odd concept known as "the rule of law?" noiretextatique Aug 2014 #109

How does the "rule of law" help? cheapdate Aug 2014 #116

thanks for making my point noiretextatique Aug 2014 #117

You'll get no argument from me over that point. cheapdate Aug 2014 #119

Hey cheapdate... ReRe Aug 2014 #124

he's called it torture twice before bigtree Aug 2014 #28

Previous statements fall short cheapdate Aug 2014 #42

"Until further notice"... ReRe Aug 2014 #78

It doesn't mean a while lot for him to admit that Blue_In_AK Aug 2014 #37

His choice of words left a bad taste in way too many mouths. QuestForSense Aug 2014 #21

I couldn't agree more stupidicus Aug 2014 #26

Do people not know that Obama has called waterboarding torture before? PoliticAverse Aug 2014 #30

Fuck Charlie Pierce. nt conservaphobe Aug 2014 #31

Under the bus! BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #50

Yeah, and anyone like him that tells the truth LondonReign2 Aug 2014 #92

LOL Skittles Aug 2014 #99

Really. madamesilverspurs Aug 2014 #43

This thread, for some reason, is like fly paper for low count posters. KittyWampus Aug 2014 #47

6 posts out of 55+ are by posters with less than 1000 posts. The rest have many thousands of posts riderinthestorm Aug 2014 #57

+1 totodeinhere Aug 2014 #63

eh, you don't intimidate me. m-lekktor Aug 2014 #85

But..those poor delicate "patriots" were under enormous pressure. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2014 #52

Yes! Think of poor Dick Cheney and his diseased, putrid heart (during 9/11), please! BuelahWitch Aug 2014 #76

K&R Solly Mack Aug 2014 #55

There is not, nor will there ever be, a justification for torture BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #56

+ a brazillion kath Aug 2014 #79

I'm with you, Brother. Enthusiast Aug 2014 #87

There are plenty who will try to justify torture. OnyxCollie Aug 2014 #102

Sadly, they don't get paid BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #104

More likely, it's the good computer algorithm at work. OnyxCollie Aug 2014 #105

I realized that budget must have been cut BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #111

What was the second most "revolting"? Can not recall. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #58

Until next week's worst thing ever said ever JoePhilly Aug 2014 #110

Does anyone here really believe that the POTUS sadoldgirl Aug 2014 #61

This message was self-deleted by its author ReRe Aug 2014 #64

"OK we tortured some folks, now let's just move on" tularetom Aug 2014 #65

Exactly! ReRe Aug 2014 #80

I regard anyone who impedes JEB Aug 2014 #66

the best that can be said is this worst moment, out does previous worst moments - patriot act, whereisjustice Aug 2014 #67

sighs and hates to agree DonCoquixote Aug 2014 #68

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #74

K&R ReRe Aug 2014 #81

Why is the worst moment those comments rather than when he decided not to pursue BainsBane Aug 2014 #83

Wonderful sentiments...... DeSwiss Aug 2014 #88

Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Aug 2014 #89

"he's been out on the golf course without a hat too long." lol nt m-lekktor Aug 2014 #91

Charles P. Pierce never really loved him!!! QC Aug 2014 #98

In the country I grew up in torturers were always the bad guy. Bonhomme Richard Aug 2014 #103

I voted for Obama with great enthusiasm in '08 hifiguy Aug 2014 #106

K&R woo me with science Aug 2014 #123