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Warren DeMontague

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There is nothing wrong with Porn & Prostitution [View all] Michigander_Life Aug 2014 OP

No one on this site has ever been "quickly shouted down". Scuba Aug 2014 #1

And no one ever should be. daleanime Aug 2014 #17

The OP maybe should be. cui bono Aug 2014 #166

Five Strikes within ninety days will definitely mufflle the tone, though. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #168

This one would do better with a pizza. cui bono Aug 2014 #170

did I hear Pizza? Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #172

They may enjoy those 14 slices. cui bono Aug 2014 #175

Special made just for him Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #176

Not true. hifiguy Aug 2014 #70

This message was self-deleted by its author AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #204

Just going to post this here. redqueen Aug 2014 #2

Chris Hedges the plagiarist. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #14

And... surprise surprise... opiate69 Aug 2014 #19

The bottom line is, porn isn't going anywhere. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #22

Ah, yes, Ms. Dworkin liberalhistorian Aug 2014 #146

That's been debunked at length on DU alone. n/t cui bono Aug 2014 #164

No, the debunking has been debunked. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #178

From what I read it has been debunked. As you say, she may not have said those exact words. cui bono Aug 2014 #183

She doesn't represent anything but the fringe of the fringe. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #186

This message was self-deleted by its author YoungDemCA Aug 2014 #189

The point as I see it is to enlighten people to the nature of most porn and how it can skew one's cui bono Aug 2014 #192

I originally mentioned Dworkin only in the context of her ineffectual battle vs. the porn industry Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #193

So you really don't think that most porn is about a woman being objectified cui bono Aug 2014 #196

The facial person also thinks "men ejaculating in womens mouths" indicates oppression. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #197

So you didn't bother to read that post at the link then. cui bono Aug 2014 #199

Yes, I did. Again, you seem to think that if I'm just exposed to enough supposedly self-evident Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #200

Well you mentioned something from a different post, so it didn't seem that you read what I linked to cui bono Aug 2014 #202

Eh, please don't tell me what I am or am not worried about. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #207

And now you are being dismissive about the treatment of a gender cui bono Aug 2014 #229

Just because someone says "this bothers me", doesn't mean they're automatically entitled to be taken Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #239

You've missed on all points. cui bono Aug 2014 #270

And you don't care that many people DON'T find porn degrading to women. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #278

I'm not causing any harm to anyone who doesn't find porn degrading. cui bono Aug 2014 #283

Sure. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #284

That takedown bordered on genius, sir hifiguy Aug 2014 #279

"...you probably have a deep fear of women having any voice at all." nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #245

It'd be nice if we could have these threads without the goofy armchair psychoanalysis Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #266

Yes, that would be a positive step, I agree. n/t nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #272

But you're fine with bringing up extremists who no one has quoted or is championing cui bono Aug 2014 #285

I think his bringing up Dworkin was somewhat questionable, yes. nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #288

I'm basing it off his words. cui bono Aug 2014 #268

I dunno... While I do think "degrading" is in the eye of the beholder, I have to say nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #244

I think Max Hardcore is an asshole and absolutely a misogynist, but I also think he peaked Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #267

Fair enough. I realize the worst material isn't necessarily typical, though I would argue nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #271

And there's a lot of shitty music out there. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #273

Absolutely not. I'm with you all the way there. n/t nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #274

Dworkin was seriously mentally ill from the get go. hifiguy Aug 2014 #233

And no one ever wants to talk about her alliances of convenience with right-wingers. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #242

I would say that, if anything, is the greatest strike against her. nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #247

MacKinnon and her ilk didn't care hifiguy Aug 2014 #275

Something like the old adage about going so far left you wind up on the right? nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #276

Eeyup. Exactly. hifiguy Aug 2014 #277

And . . . under the bus BainsBane Aug 2014 #92

Hardly. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #99

Wise men these people. JaydenD Aug 2014 #65

You reminded me of this redqueen Aug 2014 #84

yikes. “ejaculation on a woman’s face” isn't even on my list.... dionysus Aug 2014 #88

Well, obviously it's what every man who watches porn has been programmed to want. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #100

Heh. liberalhistorian Aug 2014 #148

This is such a narrow and inaccurate view of pron woolldog Aug 2014 #101

The linked author also thinks "men ejaculating in womens' mouths" indicates oppression. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #103

Found a pretty good critique of the good "Dr"'s film... opiate69 Aug 2014 #124

Go over to redtube or youporn or wherever and count them redqueen Aug 2014 #135

The documentary filmmaker you link upthread apparently considers blowjobs "degrading" Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #161

Don't watch it anymore then AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #227

Should we also ignore racist content online? redqueen Aug 2014 #237

I would say AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #289

I would say sunlight is the best disinfectant redqueen Aug 2014 #291

I looked at the front pages of the sites you referenced- for research, of course- Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #269

It would seem undeniable that a large portion of porn is deeply misogynistic. Threedifferentones Aug 2014 #132

Thank you SO VERY MUCH for your thoughtful, informed comment. redqueen Aug 2014 #136

I wasn't even going to read this thread Kali Aug 2014 #143

That's the kind of post that gives me hope. nt redqueen Aug 2014 #151

Thank you for asking the question and looking at the larger context. excellent post. n/t Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #167

You rock. Many thanks for your perspective. Nt riderinthestorm Aug 2014 #179

Great post YoungDemCA Aug 2014 #188

I also want to acknowledge the excellence of this post. nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #246

All threads supporting porn remind me of this: cui bono Aug 2014 #165

Thank you for posting that. redqueen Aug 2014 #212

"An anti-objectification, anti-porn, anti-prostitution feminist." Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2014 #81

I'm with you. leftyladyfrommo Aug 2014 #144

I used to love porn. redqueen Aug 2014 #150

If women freely choose to be involved liberalhistorian Aug 2014 #145

This isn't about any individual or what they like. redqueen Aug 2014 #149

I guess it depends on whether you care about women. leftyladyfrommo Aug 2014 #211

OMG. Does Noam never learn from past experience? Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #205

This from the nipple alerter. newcriminal Aug 2014 #3

If you remember correctly, I wasn't against the nipple Michigander_Life Aug 2014 #4

"I love nipples." rug Aug 2014 #11

Who doesn't? Michigander_Life Aug 2014 #13

No one but you don't see them exclaimg about it in public. rug Aug 2014 #15

No, that's not common courtesy. Michigander_Life Aug 2014 #16

"Nipples are wonderful." rug Aug 2014 #18

Who doesn't? Michigander_Life Aug 2014 #20

At first glance, I thought he was wheeling a loaf of bread. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #25

Here's the bread rug Aug 2014 #33

"Your father wanted you to have this, when you were old enough, but your uncle wouldn't allow it" Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #51

Probably that guy in the Tosh.0 video clip Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #41

This message was self-deleted by its author chrisa Aug 2014 #48

Worst. Superhero. Ever. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #7

Consenting adults should be free to make their own decisions about their lives and bodies. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #5

Precisely. Michigander_Life Aug 2014 #8

If they are of sound mind, I agree completely. hifiguy Aug 2014 #86

define *sound mind* just for clarification, please. legal terminology? Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #169

I tell you what sound mind doesn't mean- it doesn't mean "anyone who only does what I would" Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #201

thank you, Mr. DeMontague. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #210

I told you, i don't pay attention to personalities, here. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #240

Well, the legal definition derived from the M'Naughten case hifiguy Aug 2014 #232

Of course they should. But that doesn't mean we can't critique the sex industry nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #248

This ^ ^ ^ Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 2014 #254

Part of my problem with these discussions- and really, if there's anything more pointless than a Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #264

All very true. Really, it's more "unbridled capitalism" I have a problem with than anything. nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #265

You're braver than I thought mindwalker_i Aug 2014 #6

"You came in that thing?" Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #10

Glad someone got it mindwalker_i Aug 2014 #12

Challenge me to a nerd-off, will you? Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #21

That would be mindwalker_i Aug 2014 #23

Dang, I was kinf of hoping this would go on a little longer mindwalker_i Aug 2014 #87

"That's what she said!" Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #162

Well, I can't beat that mindwalker_i Aug 2014 #191

Dont beat yourself up. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #241

i think there can be plenty wrong with it but criminalizing it is not the way to go La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2014 #9

The more forbidden the fruit…. safeinOhio Aug 2014 #44

You always make such good sense. hifiguy Aug 2014 #73

Good post AuntPatsy Aug 2014 #109

Amen.... daleanime Aug 2014 #190

+1000 nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #249

Why taxed? leftstreet Aug 2014 #24

Why shouldn't it be? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #27

Was that the rallying cry behind legalizing abortion? leftstreet Aug 2014 #30

Oh, you were asking why is tax it specifically added as a talking point. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #34

Ah. 'Look, we can all make money off this!' leftstreet Aug 2014 #36

That's how you get the people further right onboard with anything ;) Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #40

Because taxes can be used for good things Michigander_Life Aug 2014 #29

So you're saying prostitution is a health risk? n/t leftstreet Aug 2014 #31

It has certain health risks associated with it. Michigander_Life Aug 2014 #35

Sure. Your OP said there was 'nothing wrong with it' leftstreet Aug 2014 #39

There isn't anything wrong with it. Michigander_Life Aug 2014 #45

I'd certainly consider it such. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #37

so should be ban people from having mulitple sex partners even if no money changes hands? dsc Aug 2014 #131

I didn't see the word 'ban' anywhere in my comment. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #160

So much wrong with society can be traced to poor education, or the lack of it entirely. nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #250

Well, as much as I'd like to blame a lot of it on the RW Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #252

I hear you on that. I'm coming up on 3 decades myself (in October) and I already feel nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #257

One thing I realized about college... Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #259

Oh please. No offense. But you're still really young. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #293

Income tax and SS and Medicare deductions would be my guess Blaukraut Aug 2014 #43

Declarations of absolutes are almost always a mistake. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #26

+1000000 nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #251

Porn can be addictive, especially if you mix drugs with it and it can randys1 Aug 2014 #28

Tying your shoes can be addictive, if you mix it with high-grade heroin. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #243

The biggest thing wrong with prostitution... regnaD kciN Aug 2014 #32

Wrong. See post 55. Squinch Aug 2014 #57

Yes, and #68. nt stevenleser Aug 2014 #75

Legalization increases trafficking and slaves. seabeyond Aug 2014 #78

Consenting adults should be able to fuck however they want, money or no money. phleshdef Aug 2014 #106

Are you arguing with yourself? You post has nothing to do with mine, seabeyond Aug 2014 #113

I was speaking to the notion that whether its true or not that legal prostitution... phleshdef Aug 2014 #115

Interesting to know slavery holds such little signifance to you. seabeyond Aug 2014 #116

Strawman. It holds immense significance to me... phleshdef Aug 2014 #121

Trafficking/slavery was my only issue so I hardly see it as a mere... Strawman. Done... seabeyond Aug 2014 #122

Really? Is that the way you read my statement? Really?! phleshdef Aug 2014 #123

This message was self-deleted by its author AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #203

Since prostitution will always exist it would probably be best if it were regulated CBGLuthier Aug 2014 #38

The biggest irony here is that they make this argument for abortion LittleBlue Aug 2014 #42

Great post. Completely accurate. Michigander_Life Aug 2014 #46

Feminists want to regulate porn and criminalize only the buying of sex. redqueen Aug 2014 #47

It's a new spin on an old idea LittleBlue Aug 2014 #49

Listen to a pimp? I don't fucking think so. redqueen Aug 2014 #50

You would rather persist with an idea that has never worked? LittleBlue Aug 2014 #60

She's in favor of making it legal to sell sex, but illegal to buy it, as in Sweden. nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #253

This really is the only thing that matters here hifiguy Aug 2014 #77

I'm curious as to how specifically you define "regulate" Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #52

The "who decides" question is what makes this entire line of thought hifiguy Aug 2014 #79

It was figured out a while back that "censorship" doesn't play well. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #80

I know it well. hifiguy Aug 2014 #85

Your post #79 need to be put into woolldog Aug 2014 #105

I found mysellf wondering how far from Bluebook I had hifiguy Aug 2014 #140

Greater protections for workers. Which we need in *every* industry, not just porn. nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #255

You're describing puritans, not feminists. Thought you should know. Michigander_Life Aug 2014 #128

This feminist wants to do away with porn and prostitution. leftyladyfrommo Aug 2014 #213

Glad to hear from you redqueen Aug 2014 #214

The older I get the more radical I get. leftyladyfrommo Aug 2014 #215

Same here... redqueen Aug 2014 #216

I cannot for the life of me understand why any woman wants to get married. leftyladyfrommo Aug 2014 #218

Because girls are conditioned to be nice. redqueen Aug 2014 #219

This was funny. leftyladyfrommo Aug 2014 #290

Bravo! hifiguy Aug 2014 #74

Wow. That is such a wrong and disgusting analogy. cui bono Aug 2014 #194

legalizing prostitution would not help women much, unless.... Takket Aug 2014 #53

I personally think we do a disservice to addicts when we label all potentially problematic behavior Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #56

which is pretty much exactly why I said porn addiction is between a person and their doctor. Takket Aug 2014 #66

I agree. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #67

Agree... Takket Aug 2014 #71

The word no longer has any meaning. hifiguy Aug 2014 #76

There can be a lot wrong with both JaydenD Aug 2014 #54

This study has been posted here on DU over and over and over, yet none of you valiant anti-prudery Squinch Aug 2014 #55

You're talking about global trafficking leftstreet Aug 2014 #61

Yes. But if a woman doesn't want other women or children to be trafficked, she's just a prude. Squinch Aug 2014 #133

That article includes many potential pros and cons of legalization. stevenleser Aug 2014 #68

Legalizing prostitution in Germany increased human trafficking. mythology Aug 2014 #120

As the snippet I posted noted. Legalization tends to increase inflows of trafficking stevenleser Aug 2014 #147

Your assertion that the article says that the probability of inflow is 13% is wrong. Squinch Aug 2014 #155

I stand corrected on that minor point. But the article does not support ANY of your points. stevenleser Aug 2014 #156

Oh, jeez, steven, that's pretty lame. So if you open up a huge new market for trafficked people Squinch Aug 2014 #157

It's not lame, it's the study you posted. They were very careful to state it that way for a reason stevenleser Aug 2014 #158

That would require giving a shit BainsBane Aug 2014 #127

Absolutely. And that's not going to happen. As you say, "not in my back yard" and "not Squinch Aug 2014 #153

Thanks for posting that! cui bono Aug 2014 #174

I heard iceland was going to ban all internet porn, and some people got VERY excited! Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #58

Yeah, that was an overreach, and a rather foolish one. nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #258

It was more like a trial balloon Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #292

Maybe not in your utopia... hunter Aug 2014 #59

lol. nt. ecstatic Aug 2014 #62

I'm guessing Torture Porn is your thing whatchamacallit Aug 2014 #63

! he walked right into that one... dionysus Aug 2014 #89

If Obama does it. cui bono Aug 2014 #171

Be that as it may . . . Brigid Aug 2014 #64

Feh! Try working as a prostitute youself, and MineralMan Aug 2014 #69

They pay me to keep my cloths on davidpdx Aug 2014 #118

Kind of a funny picture considering he was an addict and a prostitute walked over his body CBGLuthier Aug 2014 #141

Agreed. hifiguy Aug 2014 #72

Strawman argument. cui bono Aug 2014 #231

How do you feel about the organ trade? Just consenting adults? DanTex Aug 2014 #82

Yes. After all, people who donate their organs do it because they like to meet people. They're Squinch Aug 2014 #180

On porn and prostitution: I trust Larry Flynt Capt. Obvious Aug 2014 #83

Yep. and when it comes to the safety of tobacco, I trust the RJ Reynolds company. nt redqueen Aug 2014 #90

Post removed Post removed Aug 2014 #91

Regarding Flynt: redqueen Aug 2014 #134

Nothing wrong unless you count BainsBane Aug 2014 #93

Your link seems to be bad Prophet 451 Aug 2014 #95

It works for me BainsBane Aug 2014 #96

You were right, apologies Prophet 451 Aug 2014 #98

The paper is open access BainsBane Aug 2014 #104

Got it, thanks Prophet 451 Aug 2014 #107

It worked for me = Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #112

I assume anyone who opposes legalizing prostitution also favors banning construction? brooklynite Aug 2014 #108

Read the paper linked above BainsBane Aug 2014 #114

In principle, I agree with you Prophet 451 Aug 2014 #94

Thank you for at least giving the issue some thought. nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #260

Well, you are ok with touture also! nt Logical Aug 2014 #97

blah blah blah Kali Aug 2014 #102

Yeah SSDD. Rex Aug 2014 #139

It is really very odd how he is parading his motives. Squinch Aug 2014 #154

I was taught that when taking True/False tests that an absolute statement will usually be a False Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #110

Not so cut and dry considering the easy access children have to it, frankly I do AuntPatsy Aug 2014 #111

Nothing wrong? JackRiddler Aug 2014 #117

Decriminalization does not work well in practice where it has been tried. Squinch Aug 2014 #182

Thanks for this article on the effects of legalizing prostitution. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #184

All very nice. But when you legalize, trafficking increases. You can think in whatever terms you Squinch Aug 2014 #209

When you criminalize, suffering increases. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #217

When you criminalize, suffering does not increase in the same way that it does when you legalize. Squinch Aug 2014 #220

Trafficking is not just about prostitution. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #222

"You should be advocating for economic justice." And in the meantime, while we wait for economic Squinch Aug 2014 #223

I see you have your steady view. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #224

"A steady view" is one way to describe the act of facing the fact that legalization of prostitution Squinch Aug 2014 #225

Your question is loaded. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #234

The reality of the situation is loaded. As you can see, there is really only one choice. Squinch Aug 2014 #235

Your concerns are noted. Zorra Aug 2014 #119

... lol ... Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #125

LOL, I was thinking the same thing. R B Garr Aug 2014 #129

There's nothing wrong with burping and farting, either. MADem Aug 2014 #126

Torture too ... GeorgeGist Aug 2014 #130

It's a tough old world when people hold opinions different than yours LanternWaste Aug 2014 #137

You're trying too hard. Rex Aug 2014 #138

+1 Iris Aug 2014 #181

When those industries go unregulated, there sure as fuck is. Orsino Aug 2014 #142

+1000 nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #261

Morality is always relative marshall Aug 2014 #152

I support both as well. Iron Man Aug 2014 #159

This message was self-deleted by its author cui bono Aug 2014 #163

Have you seriously not heard the stories about GIRLS being abducted and forced into prostitution? cui bono Aug 2014 #173

STOP! STOP LOOOOKING AT NAKED PEOPLE HAVING SEX! STOP IT STOP IT STOPPP IT AEEEEEEE Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #177

There's no need to read the rest of the thread. That clip says everything that needs to be said! Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #206

Heh. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #208

Morality lessons from a torture apologist? historylovr Aug 2014 #185

"such draconian, anti-women views" YoungDemCA Aug 2014 #187

Even if both were completely free of exploitation, some would still be opposed to it. redgreenandblue Aug 2014 #195

Yeah. One only look at what acts are considered exploitative and degrading to see that. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #198

How would you know? Have we ever approached a condition where either was free of exploitation? Squinch Aug 2014 #221

Ted Bundy YarnAddict Aug 2014 #226

Ted Bundy said a lot of things Prophet 451 Aug 2014 #263

right, a liar and a sociopath. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #286

Nothing wrong with prostitution? War Horse Aug 2014 #228

There's nothing wrong with prostitution - why, wealthy women with all sorts of opportunities hedgehog Aug 2014 #230

When I see an old fat rich guy with a knockout babe ... rickford66 Aug 2014 #236

Shocker. A porn thread in GD goes 250 posts Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #238

300? How about 325, 325 350 okay. Can we get 400, 450 450, 475... Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #287

Legal, regulated, safe and taxed. Kurska Aug 2014 #256

It's. just. not. that. simple. nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #262

I'm old fashioned, and I think the economic/exploitation problems across the board would be best Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #280

"...it's about people at the bottom not having enough options." nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #281

To be honest, though, some of these things have gone from pipe dreams to actual proposals Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #282

K and R bigwillq Aug 2014 #294