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In reply to the discussion: There is nothing wrong with Porn & Prostitution [View all]cui bono
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that is half of this population because you are much more busy worrying about ebola, which I'm pretty sure you yourself can do nothing about, where as this is an issue you could actually help out with, should you choose to be empathetic rather than combative.
Regarding "facials". Do you think that documentary maker is the person who coined that phrase? The only one who uses it? Come on, at least admit that your referencing that other post was apropos of nothing. Otherwise you expose yourself as not attempting to or not wanting to have a genuine discussion. You seemingly brought that into it as a way to discount an entire argument even though it was not relevant to what I had said, just as you brought up an extremist such as Dworkan in an attempt to discount the entire argument that most porn is degrading to women. She is no more relevant in here than is Santa Claus because no one is arguing or defending her points. You brought her up out of thin air. Is it relevant to bring up Karl Marx in an attempt to argue against Obama's fiscal policies? No, not when it is done as if Marx's ideas are anything close to resembling Obama's. No one prior to your post bringing her up said anything about blow jobs themselves being degrading. No one said the act of sex alone is bad. No one. You brought her up in what can only be seen as an attempt to spoil the argument. There was no other reason to bring her up. None.
There's nothing wrong with you not being aware of how porn is degrading, but you aren't even trying to understand how it could be when women (and men) tell you that it is. You can argue and protest as much as you like that you resent someone (women) telling you how you are supposed to feel and think, which is not at all what is happening. The fact that you perceive it as such seems indicative that you probably have a deep fear of women having any voice at all. Because the rational response to anyone stating that they are uncomfortable with something and see it as degrading to an entire gender would be to actually think about it and look at why they feel that way. But you feel the need to proclaim that you are an adult - when no one has questioned that - and how you don't have to listen to anyone telling you what you can and cannot watch - no one has done that either. Then you try to make an analogy that infers that what I am doing is rifling through your personal video collection and lecturing you on them - again, never done. That's not even close to what anyone is doing. We're just discussing an issue, irrespective of what you may or may not have in your video library. You're the one who keeps telling us you like to watch porn and no one can tell you to stop.
Your arguments are way off the mark, most likely either because you are defensive or just completely disingenuous. But they are not intellectually coherent and seem to be coming from an emotional response against you having to have any kind of respectful dialog with a woman. Quite frankly, you are coming off like an insecure male attempting to prove his masculinity in ways that only show how threatened you are because otherwise you would look at the actual issue being discussed instead of bringing up unrelated authors and posts and complaining about some non-existent "orders" about what you are allowed to watch. No one is trying to take anything away from you. We are simply stating that most porn is degrading to women and that has an effect on how men view and treat women as a whole in society.
If you are in a relationship and your partner tells you something bothers them, do you just tell them that there is nothing to be bothered about, that they don't get to tell you how to behave? That you can do and say whatever you want? Or do you talk to them about why that bothers them and try to not bother them in the future? And even if you don't understand it, do you keep telling them their feelings are not valid? Because that's what you are doing here.
Again... I try to understand what it must be like to grow up black or gay in this country all the time. It's not up to me to define what is and isn't racist or homophobic, it's up to me to understand why blacks or gays feel something is racist or homophobic. I certainly don't go around trying to define it for them and tell them they are wrong to feel oppressed. If they tell me something is offensive to them or degrading to them or oppressive to them I try to understand why they feel that way, I don't go telling them they are wrong.
Again again...
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