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In reply to the discussion: There is nothing wrong with Porn & Prostitution [View all]Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)seriously.
A lot of people are "bothered" by consensual gay relationships. They're not automatically entitled to be taken seriously just because the behavior of others bugs them. You keep trying to compare porn to racism or homophobia, again, the basic underlying premise there is faulty- at least, I think it is. Actually, I think it's far more rational to compare what you're doing, here, to the people who can't stay out of the consenting adult business of others.
And it goes back to Dworkin because she believed ALL penetrative sex, at least as it is generally practiced on Planet Earth, is inherently "degrading" to women. To ALL women, actually, not just the woman in the sex act. It requires that sort of assumption- erroneous, to say the least, in my mind- to arrive at a conclusion where sex graphically depicted similarly contains an inherent element of degradation to women.
In short, I don't believe sex is inherently degrading to anyone. If people do, that's their problem, not mine. Suggesting, as you have repeatedly, "you need to listen to the people who think depictions of sex are like racism and homophobia because depictions of sex are like racism and homophobia", is a tautology.
Do you believe that it is possible to depict sex graphically and have it not be degrading?
I do not think the documentary filmmaker coined the word "facials", but then I don't see what the existence of the term proves in terms of the inherent "degrading" nature of the act. And in the same sentence she listed "men orgasming on womens faces" and "men orgasming in womens mouths" as two of these common, horrific degrading components of, again, that bugaboo "most porn". What you don't seem to get is that not everyone - not every woman, not even every self-described Feminist- automatically believes those things are "degrading". And again, this is not an outlier in terms of the MacKinnon-isms and Dines-osity of your boilerplate anti-porn arguments; they crop up over and over, and yes, they've already been floated even numerous times on DU- among them are defining "most porn" as "violent or degrading" and then defining pretty common sex acts, from blowjobs (or "orgasming in a woman's mouth" to butt-slapping, as "violent or degrading". All sorts of spooky implications are floated about the endllessly programmable nature of the male sex-brain, and oh no what are we doing to these easily hijacked mens' heads with the porn programming turning them to mush?
I don't think oral sex is inherently degrading. I don't think someone "orgasming on someone else's face" is inherently degrading.
No, if you read what I wrote, you'd see that I said that I make my own decisions about consenting adult entertainment, period, as should you and all other thinking people with functional brains in their heads. And apparently that relatively straightforward sentiment alone constitutes a global planetary emergency, and is enough to warrant no end to cloth-rending, hair-tearing, wailing and gnashing of teeth. Oh well.
That's funny. First part- "your thinking is wrong" Second part- "you should listen when people try to correct you on your erroneous thinking" Third part- "no one is trying to tell you what to think".
The rest of your post, the other sort of inane ad hominem insults, and the rest... yeah, whatever. What were you saying about getting 'personal and emotional'?