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cwydro

(51,308 posts)
53. Hope you are never on anyone's jury in this country.
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 08:15 PM
Aug 2014

Because we know nothing at this point.

I haven't heard any stories that make sense.

Stories I have heard:

One - Brown was shot in the back. From the videos I can see no back wounds.

Two - The different stories: Brown was running away. Then he was on his knees. Then he was shot five times with his hands up. I think his hands would have come down some time before five shots. He was shot four, five...I've heard ten times.

Three - Brown was a "gentle giant." The nasty shoving episode of him toward a much smaller man proves otherwise.

Eyewitnesses are notoriously wrong. Google it. Many studies on that particular fact.

I prefer to hear the whole story.

I totally think these Ferguson cops are goons...maybe not all of them, but we've seen enough to know that they are not the cream of any crop. The cops have handled this beyond wrong on every level. No one is saying the cop is innocent. Just I choose not to say he is guilty. BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW.

I'm not going to rush to judgment yet.



Fact one is not undisputed... winter is coming Aug 2014 #1
That does not dispute fact 1. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #2
Then you might want to rewrite the first fact to omit the reference to the cigarillos Ms. Toad Aug 2014 #36
Fact one is specifically about the first contact and nothing more. eom MohRokTah Aug 2014 #39
Then exlude this: Ms. Toad Aug 2014 #42
It is NOT disputed. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #45
What you said is not actually a quote, Ms. Toad Aug 2014 #61
It sure looks like a quote to me... whopis01 Aug 2014 #98
Thanks for the clarification - Ms. Toad Aug 2014 #99
no problem whopis01 Aug 2014 #102
Even if the cop didint know about the Robbery Mike Brown did Travis_0004 Aug 2014 #103
All those saying wait for facts and taking the police side are speaking CBGLuthier Aug 2014 #3
Understand in total where you are coming from. truedelphi Aug 2014 #11
Pretty much this now^^^ more of the I am OK and got mine ...wait as this becomes an acceptable lunasun Aug 2014 #47
If you refuse to understand pintobean Aug 2014 #12
Their you go again Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #15
We do know some very important facts. See OP. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #20
I saw the OP. pintobean Aug 2014 #21
Buh bye. eom MohRokTah Aug 2014 #22
That tells me everything I need to know. pintobean Aug 2014 #23
There is a difference between known facts - Ms. Toad Aug 2014 #37
I see. pintobean Aug 2014 #63
The shit I know is that Mike Brown is dead without benefit of jury. JEB Aug 2014 #73
No shit. pintobean Aug 2014 #74
...^ that 840high Aug 2014 #54
Nobody I have seen is calling for Wilson to face a firing squad. JEB Aug 2014 #72
Why do you give the word of one cop, with a history of abusive behavior, equal weight nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #82
Thank you for acting as a "voice of reason"! notgoinback Aug 2014 #93
precisely because that's the OPPOSITE of what he knows 0rganism Aug 2014 #105
Agreed. The police officer is still legally innocent until a jury decides otherwise. NaturalHigh Aug 2014 #94
Why did I ever take you off Ignore? nt valerief Aug 2014 #101
Don't know or care. pintobean Aug 2014 #104
So you could rec today's thread? /nt pintobean Sep 2014 #107
So, anyone who ever agrees with the police about anything is, per se, a racist? ColesCountyDem Aug 2014 #19
It works well if you don't like actual thinking mythology Aug 2014 #35
Since I didn't call anyone a name, I don't know how it works. ColesCountyDem Aug 2014 #64
No, but if you insist on giving them "the benefit of the doubt" despite a clear pattern nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #80
No, what I 'insist on' is... ColesCountyDem Aug 2014 #95
Please link to a racist DU post about this and I will alert on it! nt Logical Aug 2014 #41
+ 1000 BlueCaliDem Aug 2014 #44
a great big Confederate Flag FreakinDJ Aug 2014 #52
You don't see anything wrong with that picture? pintobean Aug 2014 #56
Other then some one photoshopped a colored flag into a black and white picture FreakinDJ Aug 2014 #62
Not photoshopped, so you're completely WRONG. BlueCaliDem Aug 2014 #65
Even the 12 pack of PBR is in color FreakinDJ Aug 2014 #68
Hm. You obviously need more proof... Well, here it is. BlueCaliDem Aug 2014 #66
How do you know pintobean Aug 2014 #69
If you give all these folks the benefit of the doubt, then why not Mike Brown? nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #83
I've made no such assumptions. pintobean Aug 2014 #86
Because it seems so hard for you to believe that anyone else did anything wrong. nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #88
Well you're fucking wrong. pintobean Aug 2014 #89
Let a big fart in the middle of a love scene. nt Eleanors38 Aug 2014 #90
Care to link to those posts? 840high Aug 2014 #55
This sums up the thread nicely Bonx Aug 2014 #71
"Wait for the facts" = Wait for the cops to get their story straight. Iggo Aug 2014 #4
Yup, await the official narrative come together and get the focus off. TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #24
+1000000 nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #84
Does anyone have info about the shots fired? Were there two sets of shots at R B Garr Aug 2014 #5
according to the witness who was on Laurence O'Donnell's show - Beaverhausen Aug 2014 #7
omg, that is just chilling. R B Garr Aug 2014 #9
PTSD, fear, panic? WHEN CRABS ROAR Aug 2014 #25
Brown? lunasun Aug 2014 #48
If the peace officer has/had PTSD, fear, panic, he shouldn't have been an officer. R B Garr Aug 2014 #49
In the real world, it's not that easy to find, WHEN CRABS ROAR Aug 2014 #100
With extreme prejudice with intent to kill still_one Aug 2014 #30
And that is the very definition of first degree murder. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #34
That's why I was curious about the length of time the sequence of shots occurred. R B Garr Aug 2014 #50
Do we know if the first round GP6971 Aug 2014 #38
I suspect the fact digging has St. Louis-Ferguson establishment and law enforcement scared shitless. gordianot Aug 2014 #6
Well they should. HooptieWagon Aug 2014 #8
Since the police chief apparently has neo-confederate leanings, no surprise there. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #10
The pic released by Anonymous? pintobean Aug 2014 #17
That may be why all the St Louis County websites are still offline SwankyXomb Aug 2014 #51
The law of un intended consequences has caught up. gordianot Aug 2014 #67
Thank you. Very Clear!! oldandhappy Aug 2014 #13
Not mine, Shaun King's. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #14
Didn't this same officer.. butterfly77 Aug 2014 #16
I think it was a different officer in that video. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #18
Here's where you are horribly flawed.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #26
I don't doubt that at all. n/t GP6971 Aug 2014 #40
Exactly! You nailed it. nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #85
+1000 Solomon Aug 2014 #91
Folks like that are on the wrong side of history. conservaphobe Aug 2014 #27
I think what they try to say is "let's wait for all the evidence" which is STUPID. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #28
+1 conservaphobe Aug 2014 #29
Lol, your reply here reminds me of good old Donald Rumsfeld... cwydro Aug 2014 #31
I need precisely no more evidence than what we have... MohRokTah Aug 2014 #32
Hope you are never on anyone's jury in this country. cwydro Aug 2014 #53
I hope you never serve on a jury in this country. eom MohRokTah Aug 2014 #58
You wouldn't see back wounds if he was shot in the back Kalidurga Aug 2014 #81
That too. n/t nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #87
I hope you're never on a jury. 840high Aug 2014 #59
The feeling is reciprocated. eom MohRokTah Aug 2014 #60
you cant convict Niceguy1 Aug 2014 #75
+2 JustAnotherGen Aug 2014 #43
I don't see them that 840high Aug 2014 #57
All respect to you. With regard to #1, I'm almost certain now that Brown didn't steal anything, not VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #33
Then why did Johnson, the guy who was with Brown in that store cleduc Aug 2014 #79
Hmm, well, none of us have heard what Mr. Johnson actually has to say. We have VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #92
K&R ReRe Aug 2014 #46
Yes, and if I may go off on a little rant... malokvale77 Aug 2014 #70
can't run very fast in those sandals anyway jberryhill Aug 2014 #76
Turning around was a big problem in Iraq Recursion Aug 2014 #77
MohRokTah said 'For the "let's wait for the facts" crowd. We already have several facts.' cleduc Aug 2014 #78
Autopsy shows, it's murder in the first degree. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #96
It does? cleduc Aug 2014 #97
I have a feeling we're all going to be disappointed with the outcome here. N/t Calista241 Aug 2014 #106
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