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pnwmom

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84. And in Europe they have decided, based on the evidence that you reject, to strictly regulate GMO's.
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:46 PM
Aug 2014

Only in the US are people still gullible enough to think Monsanto is doing this in an effort to save the world, instead of to pad their own pockets.

No one in the US knows when they're buying a GMO product at the store because they're not labeled. So if there were any ill effects, no one would know what caused them.

In Europe, rather than insisting there is no need for any safety testing of GMO’s because there is “no known mechanism,” they have been busy developing methods for assessing safety of GMO’s. We should be learning from them instead of insisting that no such testing is necessary.

http://ec.europa.eu/research/biosociety/pdf/a_decade_of_eu-funded_gmo_research.pdf

A number of projects (ENTRANSFOOD, GMO CARE, SAFOTEST, NOFORISK, and GMOBILITY) have focused on the development of safety assessment approaches for GM foods/feed. This is an issue of great scientific interest and also of interest for the general public: to examine whether food/ feed products derived from GMOs pose particular risks for humans, animals and the environment upon long term expo- sure and consumption.

The Thematic Network ENTRANSFOOD which consisted of different stakeholders across Europe specialized in develop- ment and production of GM crops and derived foods, in risk- assessment, -management, and –communication strategies, and has designed a detailed step-wise procedure for the risk assessment of GM crop derived food and feed. The proposed procedure was an important step forward in risk assessment of the new category of foods, since it added a significant level of detail to the general requirements for the actual safety assessment. The risk assessment approach as developed within ENTRANSFOOD has also been embedded in the risk assessment strategy more recently developed by the European Food Safety Authority, and is in line with international guide- lines developed by the FAO/WHO.

The possible occurrence of unintended alterations in the com- position of GM food crops as result of the genetic modifica- tion, was one of the key issues addressed by ENTRANSFOOD. Detection of unexpected effects in GM food crops relies pri- marily on a targeted approach, i.e. comparative determination in GM and non-GM products of levels of selected macro- and micro-nutrients, anti-nutrients, and known toxins. In order to increase the probability of detecting unintended effects, ‘profiling’- or ‘omics’- techniques have been further developed within the GMOCARE project. These evolving technologies include transcriptomics, proteomics, and metabolomics ena- ble measurement of thousands of metabolic compounds in modified and unmodified plants, which are not defined prior to analysis (non-targeted approach). Research has concen- trated on various transgenic potato lines modified in their starch, amino acid, or glycoalkaloid metabolism, on trans- genic tomato lines with elevated phytosterol or isoprenoid contents, and on various Arabidopsis GM-lines, down-regu- lated in their flavonoid pathway. Application of profiling meth- ods is promising since extensive information is provided on the physiology of GMOs and their non-modified counterparts, but further development and validation is needed, before they can be used in a formalized risk assessment procedure. The classical targeted compositional analysis of GMOs and their conventional non-modified counterparts together with infor- mation from the molecular characterization and analysis of agronomical properties of the GMOs, is a sound and robust way to determine possibly whether due unintended effects may have occurred in GMOs possibly due to the genetic modification.

Toxicological testing of newly expressed proteins and of whole GM foods has been examined in the SAFOTEST project. A combination of in vivo animal models, in vitro toxicological systems, and selected profiling methods was used to charac- terize GM rice strains containing lectins, or Bt protein. Repeated dose studies in rats were performed with diets con- taining the target proteins, or the GM rice spiked or not with purified lectin. The results demonstrated that the specificity and sensitivity of the 90-day rat feeding study to detect spe- cific compound-related effects and unintended secondary effects is fit-for-purpose, which enables the establishment of the safety of the GM food. This approach provides relevant guidance for future approaches to establish the safety for consumers.

An increasing number of novel foods are generally marketed with claims of benefits to the consumers (functional foods), but these claims are generally poorly underpinned. . . .


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You reflect my feelings very well. immoderate Aug 2014 #1
Thanks hope some see it before it gets buried Drew Richards Aug 2014 #2
Evolution is not infinite. jeff47 Aug 2014 #18
I understand that not every combination will come to exist. immoderate Aug 2014 #59
And your suspecting comes from assuming (virtually) every combination has been tried jeff47 Aug 2014 #62
Not really. I know the possibilities involved. Many orders of magnitude. immoderate Aug 2014 #65
Yes, actually. jeff47 Aug 2014 #67
The only assumption I made was that genes evolved from a common ancestor. immoderate Aug 2014 #80
If that were true, you wouldn't ask the question. jeff47 Aug 2014 #81
Common ancestor <> close relatives immoderate Aug 2014 #83
Wow, your understanding is even more abysmal. jeff47 Aug 2014 #86
I'm wondering why you keep reading the opposite of what I'm saying. immoderate Aug 2014 #92
Just label them already. Ruby the Liberal Aug 2014 #3
Here is a pretty good series that addresses quite a few of your points. Eko Aug 2014 #4
I watched your vid here is what i got... Drew Richards Aug 2014 #10
Thanks Eko Aug 2014 #12
You argue your position very well Bjorn Against Aug 2014 #5
How many times do you like explaining to people that women should be paid the same as men? jeff47 Aug 2014 #6
There isn't universal agreement among reputable scientists on this matter. pnwmom Aug 2014 #34
Mechanism. Your example still needs one. jeff47 Aug 2014 #57
Why should the FDA require the mechanism by which a GMO might produce danger? pnwmom Aug 2014 #60
It does to pull a drug. jeff47 Aug 2014 #61
I'm not suggesting we pull GMO's. I'm saying they should be labeled. pnwmom Aug 2014 #69
You're saying we should fear science. jeff47 Aug 2014 #70
No, I'm not. The GMO producers are. They're clearly terrified of the results independent pnwmom Aug 2014 #71
You should probably go look at post 7. jeff47 Aug 2014 #72
Just because the funding is independent doesn't mean the research wasn't restricted pnwmom Aug 2014 #74
Actually, it does. jeff47 Aug 2014 #76
Scientists can't purchase the seeds except through Monsanto, pnwmom Aug 2014 #77
How many times do you want to make the same error? jeff47 Aug 2014 #82
And in Europe they have decided, based on the evidence that you reject, to strictly regulate GMO's. pnwmom Aug 2014 #84
No, they decided based on irrational fear jeff47 Aug 2014 #85
Oh right. Because all those European scientists are suffering from irrational fear. pnwmom Aug 2014 #87
Ande here is a site that lists Eko Aug 2014 #7
Oh, I'm sure the OP has read every single one of those citations, Eko MrMickeysMom Aug 2014 #9
no but to be fair im willing to take a look...only thing that bothers me is the whois lookup Drew Richards Aug 2014 #14
Which is why you read the journal articles instead of trusting the web site. (nt) jeff47 Aug 2014 #15
How very subjective to start that way... MrMickeysMom Aug 2014 #17
We don't think they're "safe" in Hawai'i and are fighting to keep them at bay Cha Aug 2014 #8
Huh, I would like to see Eko Aug 2014 #11
There isn't any. jeff47 Aug 2014 #19
The study in that article Eko Aug 2014 #27
Yes, the author now uses pay-to-publish journals. (nt) jeff47 Aug 2014 #58
We are the lab Rats bahrbearian Aug 2014 #13
We have always been the lab rats Eko Aug 2014 #16
We were lab rats for Monsanto's DDT that's for sure gyroscope Aug 2014 #24
Yeah, Eko Aug 2014 #25
You know the old saying? gyroscope Aug 2014 #26
Well the US govt thought is was safe also. Eko Aug 2014 #28
Do you believe everything the govt tells you? gyroscope Aug 2014 #29
I think you fail to see my point. Eko Aug 2014 #31
Actually gyroscope Aug 2014 #33
So we Eko Aug 2014 #36
as a matter of fact Eko Aug 2014 #37
Monsanto knew for years DDT was dangerous gyroscope Aug 2014 #40
I dont believe any food Eko Aug 2014 #49
You can eat all the GMO you want gyroscope Aug 2014 #38
Because there are a bunch of people out there Eko Aug 2014 #39
What are you talking about? gyroscope Aug 2014 #41
ok then Eko Aug 2014 #43
and Eko Aug 2014 #44
and Eko Aug 2014 #45
Still doesn't say anything gyroscope Aug 2014 #50
from the wired site Eko Aug 2014 #53
on this site Eko Aug 2014 #51
Here is the link Eko Aug 2014 #52
What the heck is www.belch.com? gyroscope Aug 2014 #46
yeah, pro GMO Eko Aug 2014 #48
Not organic. From your link above... Luminous Animal Aug 2014 #68
And here are some organic mangos that were recalled for the same thing. Eko Aug 2014 #47
You think that a transglobal corporate monster like Monsanto should be allowed Peace Patriot Aug 2014 #56
I will give you this Eko Aug 2014 #54
out for the night Eko Aug 2014 #55
Corporate trolls don't care how valid and logical our arguments are, their Zorra Aug 2014 #20
Suing farmers for saving seeds? gyroscope Aug 2014 #21
If you watch the video I posted Eko Aug 2014 #23
Who are you claiming Eko Aug 2014 #22
Isn't it obvious? nt Zorra Aug 2014 #30
Do you often do that? Eko Aug 2014 #32
Post removed Post removed Aug 2014 #42
Thanks for the post, Drew Richards. n/t pnwmom Aug 2014 #35
Well done, and thanks. nt LWolf Aug 2014 #63
Biology isn't a young science n/t Motown_Johnny Aug 2014 #64
I am not talking about the biological cross breeding through biological invito or standard Drew Richards Aug 2014 #66
Which relies on all the old stuff to work. jeff47 Aug 2014 #73
... Zorra Aug 2014 #88
Basic math. Learn some. jeff47 Aug 2014 #89
How about this ~ stop rendering food producing areas infertile, and improve the waste factor? Zorra Aug 2014 #91
Nor is genetics. HuckleB Aug 2014 #90
Is nuclear energy safe? It is a somewhat new science. So to speak. Rex Aug 2014 #75
I agree completely I just hope we proceed with caution and transparency as you say... Drew Richards Aug 2014 #78
Must have both, otherwise we can lose objectivity imo. Rex Aug 2014 #79
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