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joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
65. You don't have to disagree on a perceived overlap.
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 03:18 AM
Aug 2014

But you fall into a very big trap if you don't call them out on their BS.

A climate change denier says "we don't have an exact value for CO2 forcing."

That is absolutely, 100%, true. The denier is correct we don't have an exact value.

We have a range. And that rage is correct to several sigma. It's very likely to be within that range.

So we know with 95% certainty but then the denier retorts, "But you don't really know."

That's the language of the libertarian capitalist. They are absolutely for marijuana legalization, but they are not against discrimination based upon marijuana usage. How is this compatible with our views? There is no compatibility. They are fooling us. Even on issues we agree upon, they don't actually agree.

So, fine, you say "if they try to block non-discrimination based on marijuana usage, we'll call them out on it." Except at that point it's too late, you've been their ally, they will call you an ally, they will say that you agree on all issues but this one, and what does it matter, who wants more laws, right? You come to the table with a lower hand and they know it. That's how the Reganites, the Libertarians, have been winning. They force the narrative to be about their faux views and when you call them on it you're left standing there with nothing.

I refuse to ally with libertarians because I know what happened when the anarchists allied with the state socialists who shared their views. I know about the prison camps, I know about the forced labor, about the executions. And really, right wing capitalism is actually fascism, so why I would ally with fascists on even the smallest detail is beyond me.

Anybody making common cause with Libertarians is no leftist. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #1
Anybody making common cause with corporations is no Democrat. L0oniX Aug 2014 #6
our small family business is a corporation as most small family businesses. KittyWampus Aug 2014 #13
You know I ain't talking about small family businesses. pffft L0oniX Aug 2014 #16
Yes, you were. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #22
Been calling Miss Cleo for info on what I think? L0oniX Aug 2014 #29
Doesn't matter what you "think" MohRokTah Aug 2014 #32
Yea I should have made it more clear since some tend to strive to take shit how they want to. L0oniX Aug 2014 #42
I understood that you were referring to the rent-seeking corporations. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2014 #52
+100000 woo me with science Aug 2014 #17
And the Speed-(non)-Reading Award goes to MohRokTah! appal_jack Aug 2014 #9
"Democrats who approve of torture, panopticon-levels of warrantless surveillance, rendition... woo me with science Aug 2014 #18
Even when the outcomes ARE liberal? ARE progressive? MNBrewer Aug 2014 #19
The outcomes in such situation will NEVER be liberal or progressive. eom MohRokTah Aug 2014 #21
How? "by definition?" MNBrewer Aug 2014 #36
Had you read the article... appal_jack Aug 2014 #45
How would opposing corporate bailouts NOT be liberal or Progressive? nt Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2014 #53
I base my vote solely on economic issues. conservaphobe Aug 2014 #2
A voice of reason. We are mostly winning the day on JaneyVee Aug 2014 #34
I agree that economic issues are of great importance right now. appal_jack Aug 2014 #43
As bad as libertarians are, a true libertarian would not support the corporate oligarchy AZ Progressive Aug 2014 #3
I'd rather have libertarians than republicans. DireStrike Aug 2014 #4
You can find good ideas from many sources in spite of all that may be wrong. L0oniX Aug 2014 #5
In the light of this information I intend to remain a loyal Democrat. Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #7
K&R The oligarchs and fascists succeed by keeping the people divided. woo me with science Aug 2014 #8
I'm with ya, woo. appal_jack Aug 2014 #24
+1000000000 woo me with science Aug 2014 #38
Yet the people have free will to choose sides. JaneyVee Aug 2014 #35
Perfect example of the talking points we are fed woo me with science Aug 2014 #39
Some have been trying for a while to forge that "unholy alliance" right here on DU Number23 Aug 2014 #44
Some love their 'ideological chains' and do not want to shed them. nt appal_jack Aug 2014 #46
Are "idological chains" what they sell at Home Depot? Number23 Aug 2014 #48
Well, the 'idological' chain-cutters were on-sale last month. Too bad you missed-out. appal_jack Aug 2014 #50
You are cute as a bug. Number23 Aug 2014 #51
"Libertarians" are *for* corporate takeover. joshcryer Aug 2014 #55
I agree that corporate power is the gigantic blindspot of most libertarians. appal_jack Aug 2014 #58
^^ This. The worse it gets, the more allies you WILL have... Eleanors38 Aug 2014 #60
gross out. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #10
Divide, divide, divide. woo me with science Aug 2014 #11
if I have to I swallow the puke and do what is needed ... I will - Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #12
I get it. But agreeing on some issues doesn't mean needing to swallow the whole agenda. woo me with science Aug 2014 #15
agreed Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #33
What is worse? PowerToThePeople Aug 2014 #14
Excellent question, PTTP. nt appal_jack Aug 2014 #20
The interesting thing here is that the ones crying the loudest are ideologically locked on TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #23
Everything you say here is true, REC *10000. n/t PowerToThePeople Aug 2014 #25
Funny how that works isn't it.... socialist_n_TN Aug 2014 #27
Hear, hear. woo me with science Aug 2014 #30
"A pocket full of mumbles, such are promises." Eleanors38 Aug 2014 #61
Well Trotsky said you should be prepared to make a United Front.......... socialist_n_TN Aug 2014 #26
Well, I'm certainly no Trotskyite, but... appal_jack Aug 2014 #31
I'm not a "Trotskyite" either since that's what Stalinists called us..... socialist_n_TN Aug 2014 #41
Trotsky was wrong. joshcryer Aug 2014 #57
The most vociferous arguments I have are usually with libertarians..... socialist_n_TN Aug 2014 #62
If you read my post you'll see there is no agreement. joshcryer Aug 2014 #63
Once again, I don't CARE what they mean by a particular type of "opposition"....... socialist_n_TN Aug 2014 #64
You don't have to disagree on a perceived overlap. joshcryer Aug 2014 #65
posted to for later. 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #28
I dislike Libertarians even more than Republicans agbdf Aug 2014 #37
"I also dislike the extreme radical Left". Me, too, even though I used to be..... AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #56
Libertarians are useful idiots Matrosov Aug 2014 #40
Most of those now claiming to be Libertarians are embarassed former Republicans. JoePhilly Aug 2014 #47
They are all "ratfuckers".. what's the big mystery? Cha Aug 2014 #49
Leftists are "ratfuckers"? nt Union Scribe Aug 2014 #59
Unfortunately, it seems we've been making a fair number of mistakes lately. AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #54
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