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Moonwalk

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66. The problem is that what exploration really led to was the wholesale slaughter....
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 08:22 PM
Aug 2014

...of native peoples through violence, exploitation, slavery and foreign diseases, not to mention wholesale environmental destruction that we're still paying for to this day, including European injection of plants and animals into landscapes that couldn't support them, to the detriment of the native, evolutionary balance.

You should check out the David Igler's podcast: "Beyond the Wild West: Violence and Death in the Pacific Ocean" in the History Section of iTune-U. It's one of the "California and the West" lectures put out by the Huntington Library. The number of native peoples genocidally wiped out thanks to European exploration is staggering and sickening, and I, myself, am hard pressed to justify it even in the name of "learning more about our world."

I mean, I'm all for scientific and cultural exploration, especially if done by naturalists who are respectful of the environment and native peoples they're studying, but the percentage of that compared to some five-hundred years of ignorant, arrogant, narcissistic and bigoted exploration for riches, greed and power is so minuscule as to make the idea that "exploration leads us to learn more about the world..." a laughable statement at best. It's sad that should be true, but it is. Hence, I find nothing laudable in Columbus' voyage leading to more exploration. It only brought out the worst in humanity, to the detriment not only of whole tribes and cultures of other humans, but the extinction of so many valuable environments and creatures.

Frankly I Do Not Approve. rsmith6621 Aug 2014 #1
Worldwide? I don't think. LiberalAndProud Aug 2014 #4
I applaud their decision LittleGirl Aug 2014 #8
"He was a murderous thief." True but he also provided a major discovery for cstanleytech Aug 2014 #9
Eurocentric Viewpoint NEOBuckeye Aug 2014 #12
" Eurocentric Viewpoint" Nope. A discovery of knowledge one. cstanleytech Aug 2014 #13
"Major discovery for Europe" nilram Aug 2014 #17
Because it also was later shared with the rest of the world nil, doh. cstanleytech Aug 2014 #35
Columbus actually didn't discover North America - he never landed there. chrisa Aug 2014 #22
My ruddy brownish ancestors would contest that. Chan790 Aug 2014 #31
Did they know at that time of China? I doubt it. cstanleytech Aug 2014 #36
Did Europeans in the 1400s know of China? Chan790 Aug 2014 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author cstanleytech Aug 2014 #54
Yes, I know but did the Cree who you refered to know? I doubt it. cstanleytech Aug 2014 #55
Probably not. Chan790 Aug 2014 #56
So, are you saying Columbus day should be celebrated because it gave indigenous people... Moonwalk Aug 2014 #57
No, rather it should be celebrated for encouraging exploration which cstanleytech Aug 2014 #61
Then why not call it Exploration Day? Lancero Aug 2014 #62
Fine by me. nt cstanleytech Aug 2014 #63
The problem is that what exploration really led to was the wholesale slaughter.... Moonwalk Aug 2014 #66
No, what led to that was greed, ignorance and general assholery. nt cstanleytech Aug 2014 #67
Some Have Suggested RadicalGeek Aug 2014 #30
Not worldwide. (nt) mr blur Aug 2014 #11
For nearly a hundred Years, this Country honored a Genocidal Maniac PeoViejo Aug 2014 #19
long over do klyon Aug 2014 #53
Agree, Leave it. greytdemocrat Aug 2014 #64
Just because it's been done for a long time is not justification to continue. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #71
Yes, well, then the date makes no sense. WinkyDink Aug 2014 #2
There is no specific date for celebrating the arrival of First Nations on the North American merrily Aug 2014 #29
Why doesn't it "make sense". Celebrating the birth of Jesus on Dec. 25, now that doesn't make sense rhett o rick Aug 2014 #72
Silly season. tritsofme Aug 2014 #3
Simply rename it "Columbus was an Imperialist Genocidal Maniac Day" Nye Bevan Aug 2014 #5
And what does Columbus , Ohio packman Aug 2014 #6
It's not about the name, it's about a particular man with that name honored with a holiday. nt BumRushDaShow Aug 2014 #7
Let's not forget the Columbia river Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 2014 #10
We'll work on those. nilram Aug 2014 #20
Columbine is named after a flower. Chan790 Aug 2014 #34
Also, is it appropriate to name our nation's capital after a guy who owned hundreds of slaves? Nye Bevan Aug 2014 #47
There's not much we can do about places outside of the U.S.A., but why not change names... Moonwalk Aug 2014 #60
Fuck Christopher Columbus geomon666 Aug 2014 #14
Excellent..I hope it catches on... Tikki Aug 2014 #15
Celebrating Columbus Day? ChazII Aug 2014 #16
surprised angrychair Aug 2014 #18
Seattle's my kind of town tea and oranges Aug 2014 #21
+1 for that last sentence. :) nt Tree-Hugger Aug 2014 #58
Good ismnotwasm Aug 2014 #23
I love Columbus Day LittleBlue Aug 2014 #24
Celebrating the birthday of a murder, maybe a genocidal one, make no sense, no merrily Aug 2014 #28
Columbus' voyages were a world historical event. They brought globalization's first round. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2014 #25
It was "discovered" by First Nations, Amerigo Vespucci and the Vikings, too. merrily Aug 2014 #27
Columbus's "discovery" was the one that made an impression on the world. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2014 #40
Isn't that what I said? That Columbus's voyage/report was the one that merrily Aug 2014 #74
It was a big deal, indeed, and would have inevitably occurred. earthside Aug 2014 #43
I like it. Someone beheaded the statue of Columbus in a waterfront park in Boston a few merrily Aug 2014 #26
Good idea for a city named after a Native American chief Laughing Mirror Aug 2014 #32
Native people discover Columbus JEB Aug 2014 #33
Alot of holidays to celibrate things have their dark side. Christmas is the best example. cstanleytech Aug 2014 #38
I, for one, would be delighted to get rid of Christmas and replace it with Yuletide... Moonwalk Aug 2014 #59
It would make life a lot simpler. JEB Aug 2014 #68
"I am a solstice kind of guy." nothing wrong with that imo just like there isnt anything wrong with cstanleytech Aug 2014 #69
Aside from the obscene consumerism. JEB Aug 2014 #70
If we must celebrate the first Europeans to come to North America... TheMightyFavog Aug 2014 #37
Mmm actually the vikings had slaves, they were called þræll. cstanleytech Aug 2014 #39
That would be cool, because we could wear horned helmets to celebrate it (nt) Nye Bevan Aug 2014 #46
And drink mead! TheMightyFavog Aug 2014 #49
I don't think the Vikings wore "horned helmets". They wouldn't be practical in battle. nm rhett o rick Aug 2014 #73
Yay! "History supplies little more than a list of people who have helped themselves... Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2014 #41
Good, it should be. Yay for Seattle. uppityperson Aug 2014 #42
Why not do away with the holiday completely? 4b5f940728b232b034e4 Aug 2014 #44
To memorialize the pure evil of the man. Nye Bevan Aug 2014 #48
I have not paid any attention to Columbus day in years. I think the man was disgusting. BlueJazz Aug 2014 #50
meh Niceguy1 Aug 2014 #51
Oh. For a second there, I thought the NHL Blue Jackets were moving west. KamaAina Aug 2014 #52
works for me--I do not honour that genocidal thug. niyad Aug 2014 #65
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