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In reply to the discussion: I sure as hell won't miss the Holder Doctrine [View all]woo me with science
(32,139 posts)15. "He was an excellent attorney general"?! Good fucking god.
This administration with Holder defended and extended the MOST malignant and antidemocratic of Bush policies, shredded multiple Constitutional amendments, and have assaulted the very foundations of our democratic system. This is NOT a partisan issue. We're talking about the murder of democracy itself.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025585163
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-w-whitehead/attorney-general-eric-hol_b_2900647.html
Attorney General Eric Holder: If the President Does It, Its Legal
John W. Whitehead
Attorney, President of The Rutherford Institute, and author of 'A Government of Wolves'
.....
The military can detain anyone, including American citizens, it deems a threat to the country. Not only has the DOJ persisted in defending a provision of the National Defense Authorization Act that sanctions indefinite detentions of Americans, but it has also blasted the federal judge who ruled the NDAA to be vague and chilling as overstepping the courts authority and infringing on Obamas power to act as Commander in Chief.
Presidential kill lists and drone killings are fine as long as the president thinks someone might have terrorist connections. Holder has gone to great lengths to defend Obamas use of drones to target and kill American citizens, even on U.S. soil, as legally justifiable. In fact, a leaked DOJ memo suggests that the President has the power to murder any American citizen the world over, so long as he has a feeling that they might, at some point in the future, pose a threat to the United States.
The federal government has the right to seize the private propertycash, real estate, cars and other assetsof those suspected of being connected to criminal activity, whether or not the suspect is actually guilty. The government actually collects billions of dollars every year through this asset-forfeiture system, which it frequently divvies up with local law enforcement officials, a practice fully supported by the DOJ and a clear incentive for the government to carry out more of these takings.
Warrantless electronic surveillance of Americans telephone, email and Facebook accounts is not only permissible but legal. According to court documents, more Americans have had their electronic communications spied on as a result of DOJ orders for phone, email and Internet information40,000 people alone in 2011and that doesnt even begin to take into account agencies outside Holders purview, terrorism investigations or requests by state and local law enforcement officials.
....
Much, much more at link, including:
* Judicial review is far from necessary.
* Due process and judicial process are not the same.
* Government whistleblowers will be bankrupted, blacklisted, blackballed and in some cases
* Not all suspects should have the right to remain silent.
Attorney General Eric Holder: If the President Does It, Its Legal
John W. Whitehead
Attorney, President of The Rutherford Institute, and author of 'A Government of Wolves'
.....
The military can detain anyone, including American citizens, it deems a threat to the country. Not only has the DOJ persisted in defending a provision of the National Defense Authorization Act that sanctions indefinite detentions of Americans, but it has also blasted the federal judge who ruled the NDAA to be vague and chilling as overstepping the courts authority and infringing on Obamas power to act as Commander in Chief.
Presidential kill lists and drone killings are fine as long as the president thinks someone might have terrorist connections. Holder has gone to great lengths to defend Obamas use of drones to target and kill American citizens, even on U.S. soil, as legally justifiable. In fact, a leaked DOJ memo suggests that the President has the power to murder any American citizen the world over, so long as he has a feeling that they might, at some point in the future, pose a threat to the United States.
The federal government has the right to seize the private propertycash, real estate, cars and other assetsof those suspected of being connected to criminal activity, whether or not the suspect is actually guilty. The government actually collects billions of dollars every year through this asset-forfeiture system, which it frequently divvies up with local law enforcement officials, a practice fully supported by the DOJ and a clear incentive for the government to carry out more of these takings.
Warrantless electronic surveillance of Americans telephone, email and Facebook accounts is not only permissible but legal. According to court documents, more Americans have had their electronic communications spied on as a result of DOJ orders for phone, email and Internet information40,000 people alone in 2011and that doesnt even begin to take into account agencies outside Holders purview, terrorism investigations or requests by state and local law enforcement officials.
....
Much, much more at link, including:
* Judicial review is far from necessary.
* Due process and judicial process are not the same.
* Government whistleblowers will be bankrupted, blacklisted, blackballed and in some cases
banished.* Government transparency is important unless government officials are busy,
can stonewall, redact, obfuscate or lie about the details,
are able to make the case that they are exempt from disclosure
or that it interferes with national security.* When it comes to Wall Street, justice is not blind.
* Not all suspects should have the right to remain silent.
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Yeah. Wow. I can respect, like, or even admire people I don't agree with. Wow. Amazing.
cheapdate
Sep 2014
#83
The Attorney General has responsibility for a whole lot more than just civil rights.
Dustlawyer
Sep 2014
#9
Your argument is weak. No one expected them to solve all problems. That's called a
rhett o rick
Sep 2014
#49
He watched as millions of Americans lost their homes and he stood by as the Banks
rhett o rick
Sep 2014
#78
Show me where the left says that fighting for voting rights "doesn't mean shit".
rhett o rick
Sep 2014
#91
The desire of "most people" to "do what is best for long term survival of all species"
cheapdate
Sep 2014
#111
Your welcome, we may not have much else but we can have a positive attitude.
A Simple Game
Sep 2014
#115
DOJ goes all the way to the Supreme Court to argue FOR allowing strip searches for traffic stops.
woo me with science
Sep 2014
#18
Holder/Obama administration seeks to legalize LYING in response to Freedom of Information requests.
woo me with science
Sep 2014
#21
DOJ goes all the way to the SC to argue for warrantless GPS tracking on cars
woo me with science
Sep 2014
#20
The Obama administration/DOJ war on whistleblowers, federal union protections
woo me with science
Sep 2014
#24
Sad argument. Progressives support civil rights and you cant prove otherwise.
rhett o rick
Sep 2014
#50
That doesn't answer the question as to why there were no prosecutions of massive crimes
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#35
Eric Holder is a tool of Wall Street. Watch the revolving door swing. Not to mention all the
rhett o rick
Sep 2014
#46
I am not aware that all of the votiing rights blockings were ever challenged. I also don't like that
roguevalley
Sep 2014
#81
Interesting doctrine for PR use. The administration just let Credit Suisse off the hook,
woo me with science
Sep 2014
#2
I posted this in an earlier thread.. a list of some of Holders "accomplishments"
SomethingFishy
Sep 2014
#16
Between Libor, Goldman and HSBC fraud, minorites suffered greatly. There should have been hell
whereisjustice
Sep 2014
#28
Agree. We cannot can't deny the inconvenient truth that economic decay is corporate made.
whereisjustice
Sep 2014
#92
Nice dodge, since your "valuable time" didn't keep you from posting in this thread
villager
Sep 2014
#88
Digressions, indeed. But I appreciate the time you put in to keeping Manny's thread kicked
villager
Sep 2014
#96
The White House says "Savvy businessmen don't do time. Only medical marijuana users get busted."
blkmusclmachine
Sep 2014
#101