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169. Al Fadihl may be a criminal mastermind but he wasn't planning or funding 9-11

Tue Sep 30, 2014, 05:15 PM

Sep 2014

He was a child at that time. You undermine whatever credibility you profess by trying to tie this new "group" to 9-11. That he got his education from OBL is indisputable. That he could then go on and plan terrorist attacks when he was an adult is obvious.

Whatever is the truth about this " group", that they have bad individuals is not my dispute.

My problem is specifically with this rabbit hole that Obama has jumped into, dragging all of us with him. The naming of this collection of individuals as some kind of elite AQ team of master genius terrorists doesn't pass the smell test.

At least not with me.

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Greenwald and the Right Wing Media Have the Same Obama Smear--(Using Media Matters.) [View all] msanthrope Sep 2014 OP

K & R. n/t FSogol Sep 2014 #1

Somebody's been had, eh? nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #2

Yup, some of us can smell the BS sooner than others. FSogol Sep 2014 #7

Some people believe--still--that GG was a civil rights attorney. msanthrope Sep 2014 #12

and had, bad. Bobbie Jo Sep 2014 #8

Agreed. good work, msanthrope. FSogol Sep 2014 #14

Thanks! nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #51

Anytime. n/t FSogol Sep 2014 #53

It seems this Greenwald fellow is the propaganda tool. LawDeeDah Sep 2014 #3

He's an adept manipulator of people. What struck me about all the people repeating his msanthrope Sep 2014 #9

I don't think he is an adept manipulator at all. LawDeeDah Sep 2014 #10

So, in terms of Democracy Now and their frequently having GG as a guest? Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #106

I have no opinion as to DN. nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #137

K, thanks for your reply and post. I'll do a little more research. Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #139

When our least favorite RW journos say it, it's trash. When Greenwald says it, it's genius! stevenleser Sep 2014 #4

Many thanks!! nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #46

How's your appearances at those Fox circus shows going for ya? L0oniX Sep 2014 #93

Does the poster you're trying (and failing) to snark at spout FOX party line like Greenwald? KittyWampus Sep 2014 #157

er...uh... Caretha Sep 2014 #173

Prove that. I've never seen it. Thanks. nt babylonsister Sep 2014 #179

Bullshite. Cha Sep 2014 #184

Could you defend this admin as he does? No, but defend he does. babylonsister Sep 2014 #178

That has been long obvious... Peacetrain Sep 2014 #5

Bah, Greenwald can't fail, he can only be failed jeff47 Sep 2014 #6

I was waiting for someone like Media Matters to catch on to this.......... wandy Sep 2014 #11

Right before an election, mind you. It's like when Obama hit OBL..... msanthrope Sep 2014 #16

You and msanthrope have won DU this week. I saw your other post in geek tragedy's thread Number23 Sep 2014 #182

This Is Because, Ma'am, There Really Is Not A Dime's Worth Of Difference Between Their Aims The Magistrate Sep 2014 #13

It Is Nice Work If You Can Get It, Sir. msanthrope Sep 2014 #19

That Is True, Ma'am The Magistrate Sep 2014 #20

Your smear would be more effective whatchamacallit Sep 2014 #15

Maybe they all got the same memo at the same time. LawDeeDah Sep 2014 #17

My Smear? How am I smearing Mr. Greenwald by using his own words and the DU search msanthrope Sep 2014 #18

Ye old (and feeble) association fallacy whatchamacallit Sep 2014 #22

If you find my OP lame and ineffective, then why are you posting on it? msanthrope Sep 2014 #25

I don't want to hide your lame OP whatchamacallit Sep 2014 #29

Okay....let me know when you've found the circuit breaker. nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #30

As is yours. LawDeeDah Sep 2014 #27

A lot of people of all stripes are questioning the information we're getting whatchamacallit Sep 2014 #32

The OPs motives can't do anyone here any harm LawDeeDah Sep 2014 #37

Greenwald is only harming the Ministry of Peace n/t whatchamacallit Sep 2014 #49

I'm sure you've seen a lot in your 14 days. TBF Sep 2014 #118

I know it is quite amazing that I learned to read, and write, in 14 days. LawDeeDah Sep 2014 #125

My group of friends do not have a name for us group of friends. ieoeja Sep 2014 #36

indeed stupidicus Sep 2014 #50

So to hide the truth all they have to do is zeemike Sep 2014 #21

that's how the game is played alrighty stupidicus Sep 2014 #55

Dem war good, Rep war bad. FlatStanley Sep 2014 #23

Nope--all war, bad. nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #28

Exactly FlatStanley Sep 2014 #34

K&R mountain grammy Sep 2014 #24

K&R mountain grammy Sep 2014 #26

I don't buy into the anti-Greenwald hate fest Bragi Sep 2014 #31

he is a gigantic force for good... LawDeeDah Sep 2014 #33

Kudos to you for working pro bono. FlatStanley Sep 2014 #38

So you would be on the side of money on anything, a fan of the Koch Bros? LawDeeDah Sep 2014 #40

I think you are operating on a false premise. msanthrope Sep 2014 #41

Common sense? Bragi Sep 2014 #54

You made an assertion, and I have asked you to provide proof of that msanthrope Sep 2014 #61

What nonsense Bragi Sep 2014 #69

I think when you go to donor dinners, a book tour, and write whitepaper for a person, you msanthrope Sep 2014 #72

Could you document those allegations? Bragi Sep 2014 #122

Oh, lordy....very well documented in this thread---I think post 93 msanthrope Sep 2014 #132

That's it? Bragi Sep 2014 #141

And the donor dinners, and the book tour, and the speaking tour? Look, you msanthrope Sep 2014 #143

That was all part of the same CATO project, thing, right? Bragi Sep 2014 #147

Um, no. Not part of the same CATO project. Unless you think that appearing at msanthrope Sep 2014 #149

Look. Misanthrope has made more wild accusations she can't support. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2014 #188

Nonsense is right. Greenwald: "Billionaire self-pity and the Koch brothers " deurbano Sep 2014 #110

Dd he return the checks? Not go to the donor dinners? In 2012, did he denounce the Koch's msanthrope Sep 2014 #117

...starts with common knowledge... libertarians caring about survey state isn't common uponit7771 Sep 2014 #89

Libertarians are not against surveillance. joshcryer Oct 2014 #209

LOL, you talk about false premises, then begin by saying Greenwald is a "right-wing libertarian". Marr Sep 2014 #144

Um no--I am directly quoting Bragi, who used the term.... msanthrope Sep 2014 #146

Oh, ok. Good to know you aren't suggesting Greenwald is a right-wing libertarian. /nt Marr Sep 2014 #148

No, it was Bragi who used the term. I think Greenwald is a Libertarian, however, and as a former msanthrope Sep 2014 #150

Yeah... tabloid paranoia doesn't interest me. Marr Sep 2014 #154

His current article has been proven to be demonstrably false....as was the near-identical msanthrope Sep 2014 #155

And That Is What The Acolytes Refuse To Engage, Ma'am The Magistrate Sep 2014 #159

You are correct--he is taking the "left" position, much as he did with the dog and pony show msanthrope Sep 2014 #162

If Juan Cole doesn't believe Khorason is real... druidity33 Oct 2014 #197

Great Post hueymahl Sep 2014 #56

Greenwald is his own damn hate fest.. it ooozes out of his keyboard with ignorance and stupidity Cha Oct 2014 #186

And yet, he never notices you Scootaloo Oct 2014 #202

Snark. Media Matters, which was created expressly to debunk Fox, is "right wing media" Doctor_J Sep 2014 #35

Um, what? Wow.....just wow. nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #39

Whoooosh Bobbie Jo Sep 2014 #43

I'm trying not to get thrown off my own thread. But Jeebus, right? nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #45

Might wanna try reading that again. (nt) jeff47 Sep 2014 #86

It's one of the funnier posts on the thread, frankly. nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #94

I think he just defended your source, and in doing so, validated MM's criticism of Greenwald... SidDithers Sep 2014 #172

Is it wrong that I am dying laughing while reading this thread?? Number23 Sep 2014 #181

that's about the only response you can give to something like this now JI7 Oct 2014 #194

The Brunnen-G LawDeeDah Sep 2014 #151

... SidDithers Sep 2014 #171

HAHAHAHHAHAH JI7 Oct 2014 #192

More of the fairytale surfaces............. wandy Sep 2014 #42

Oh, look.....now Breitbart has picked up the Smear!! GG is in good company! nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #44

We really need to anchor this turkey somewhere........... wandy Sep 2014 #52

It's like Greenwald just copied National Review--these articles are within HOURS msanthrope Sep 2014 #83

Wow allinthegame Sep 2014 #47

For you.... msanthrope Sep 2014 #48

I am glad that I called BS on it. Thanks msanthrope underpants Sep 2014 #57

Good post. Andy823 Sep 2014 #58

And, a whole bunch of right wingers agree with Obama that we need to go to war. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #59

I am sorry---but weren't the Right Wingers accusing the President of doing too little? msanthrope Sep 2014 #63

But, they certainly agree with his war. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #66

No--actually, they do not agree with his objectives, or his methods. nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #74

So, he's not conducting a war? A little bit of arsenic is better than a lot of arsenic? Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #77

He most certainly is conducting the war authorized under the AUMF of 9/18/2001. msanthrope Sep 2014 #80

I'm anti-war. Anti-killing. No matter who does it. Aren't you? Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #87

I Am Certainly Not, Sir The Magistrate Sep 2014 #102

Is that the "Sacrifice few to save many" morality you are speaking of? Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #109

I Do Not Expect To Convince You Of Anything, Sir The Magistrate Sep 2014 #124

No. nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #108

Uh-oh. Now you've done it. Prepare for a tidal wave of cognitive dissonance from the sockpuppet club RufusTFirefly Sep 2014 #64

crickets, crickets...nt grasswire Sep 2014 #104

K and effing R wryter2000 Sep 2014 #60

It's so CONVINCING when all the corporate voices talk to one another. woo me with science Sep 2014 #62

Welcome to my thread! nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #65

Yep. We're supposed to rely on the ever trustworthy CIA, NSA, and Pentagon for our info. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #68

I don't trust the CIA, NSA nor Pentagon either & I think it's unhealthy to trust Greenwald as well LawDeeDah Sep 2014 #70

Well, I trust him a helluva lot more than the warmongers that Obama trusts. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #76

What has Greenwald said about the Ukraine situation, talking about wars. LawDeeDah Sep 2014 #79

Are we at war with Ukraine? Or, Russia? Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #88

Greenwald being the journalist he is, I would think he has an opinion on that! LawDeeDah Sep 2014 #99

Aren't we "fiddling" in Ukraine? Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #100

Omidyars fiddling is the sort of the symphony of the Koch's kind of fiddling. LawDeeDah Sep 2014 #101

Nothing. OilemFirchen Sep 2014 #96

No kidding... Helen Borg Sep 2014 #95

This weak correlation of Greenwalds "guilt" is pretty pathetic riderinthestorm Sep 2014 #78

heh grasswire Sep 2014 #105

That's sort of what a discussion forum is about, you know. Discussion. Sometimes agreement. randome Sep 2014 #82

And that's why we should continue to spend billions... Android3.14 Sep 2014 #67

+1000 nt 99th_Monkey Oct 2014 #201

If it is true that the Khorasan group does not exist . . FairWinds Sep 2014 #71

Does al-Asiri not exist? nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #75

The ever morphing evil terrorists = fear the boogeyman ...keep making bombs ...MIC stocks happy L0oniX Sep 2014 #81

These guys aren't morphing--al-Fadhli? al-Asiri? Awlaki? If these names msanthrope Sep 2014 #84

What happened to the Taliban? War rah rah and fear is for the lemmings. Mean while keep trusting the L0oniX Sep 2014 #91

So--these names are not familiar to you? Yes or No. nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #92

Thanks for playing. L0oniX Sep 2014 #97

I'm not playing. I'm pleased as all hell that the President hit an AlQaeda cell. msanthrope Sep 2014 #114

Excuse me if I'm not falling all over myself 99th_Monkey Oct 2014 #203

How long has the Khorason Group been a name familiar to you? DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2014 #189

Best estimates are that the Khorasan group is 50 guys who were/are affiliated with AQ riderinthestorm Sep 2014 #98

Do you doubt al-Asiri's or al-Fadhli's capabilities with 49 other guys? msanthrope Sep 2014 #111

Asiri and Awlaki are/were affiliated with AQ which has the bucks riderinthestorm Sep 2014 #116

Al-Fadhli was a major AQ financier and fundraiser. It's probably why he knew of 9/11 msanthrope Sep 2014 #119

So here we come to the crux of it - the Khorasan group IS a new entity riderinthestorm Sep 2014 #121

No--they aren't "new." 'Khorasan' is a term that refers to the coming of Jihad-- msanthrope Sep 2014 #129

Al Fadihl may be a criminal mastermind but he wasn't planning or funding 9-11 riderinthestorm Sep 2014 #169

Before ya know it ...Greenwald will be a republican. L0oniX Sep 2014 #73

At last Glenn Greenwald's Grand Finale! randome Sep 2014 #85

Closer to Election Day, I think. What do you think the over/under will be for msanthrope Sep 2014 #90

Kick and Hell yes Recommend! sheshe2 Sep 2014 #103

National Review and GReenwald apparently published within HOURS of each other.... msanthrope Sep 2014 #107

Thanks to the link to wandy's post, msanthrope. sheshe2 Sep 2014 #158

Greenwald apparently is an activist. He does not mind using others to accomplish his dirty deeds. Thinkingabout Sep 2014 #112

Greenwald, Comrade Snowden, Papa Paul, Babino Paul, Palin, Media Matters, FOX... Cryptoad Sep 2014 #113

Um...not Media Matters. nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #115

What's a little guilt by association among friends? neverforget Sep 2014 #180

If the RW News Media says something about Obama, it must be false, because Obama can do no bad! AZ Progressive Sep 2014 #120

Darn right. The sooner you realize this, the happier you'll make DU's crack critical thinking squad RufusTFirefly Sep 2014 #126

Get over it lark Sep 2014 #123

“What is Greenwald Covering Up? – BFP Roundtable #02″, published on 20 Dec 2013 at corbettreport dawn frenzy adams Sep 2014 #127

You do know we lost posters here because they dare criticize Greenwald... Tikki Sep 2014 #128

Who? And I've been writing about GG for years with only one stupid hide to show for it. nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #133

We are not suppose to call out names...doesn't say in SOR that we can call out names and... Tikki Sep 2014 #140

PM me?? nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #142

Greenwald was never this bad with Bush. Dawson Leery Sep 2014 #130

HUGE K&R...Greenwald and his right wing cohorts.....EXPOSED Cali_Democrat Sep 2014 #131

You're really just gonna go with an association fallacy, right in the headline? Marr Sep 2014 #134

sure G_j Sep 2014 #138

+1 leftstreet Sep 2014 #156

The same people you are talking about..... NCTraveler Sep 2014 #135

50 million Americans get their news from RT! zappaman Sep 2014 #145

DU rec... SidDithers Sep 2014 #136

I've always considered him an advocate. moondust Sep 2014 #152

Indeed--libertarian and anti-American ideology does attract the fringes. nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #153

"America, love it or leave it" again? Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #160

"anti-American" ideology that discourages voting and participation in civics by msanthrope Sep 2014 #161

So, would that make "pro American" ideology Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #163

Well, Schopenhauer preferred monarchy to democracy, so I get why you would pick him msanthrope Sep 2014 #164

No. It was a requirement to get a job. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #165

I'm sad that you thought a personal oath to uphold democratic values was msanthrope Sep 2014 #166

I needed the job. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #167

OMG, even Amy Goodman has gone to the dark side! Oilwellian Sep 2014 #168

+100 ~nt 99th_Monkey Oct 2014 #205

Did Glenn ever provide any actual proof for anything he ever wrote? Major Hogwash Sep 2014 #170

Bush and Obama have same warmonger tactics. cui bono Sep 2014 #174

Obama worse than Bush on whistleblowers. cui bono Sep 2014 #175

Obama worse than Bush on spying on American citizens. cui bono Sep 2014 #176

BOGGERS have same swiftboat tactics as Tea Party. cui bono Sep 2014 #177

+1. nt OnyxCollie Oct 2014 #213

Post so good you appear to have made some folks go completely bananas Number23 Sep 2014 #183

I see what you mean.. Brawaaaaa.. "BOGGERs Have Same Tactics has Teaparty".. wah wah wah.. Cha Oct 2014 #185

da Jury pronounces flamingdem Oct 2014 #191

"Facepalm this poster is off the rails. Suggest they take the rails over to Free Republic." LOL Cha Oct 2014 #193

Juror #6 once again nails why the jury system is beyond all hope and redemption Number23 Oct 2014 #199

There's always hope that the system could be improved. Major Hogwash Oct 2014 #208

We try...but it looks like geek tragedy rought the can of whoop ass msanthrope Oct 2014 #198

He should be a member of the Justice League. Major Hogwash Oct 2014 #206

The usual AgingAmerican Oct 2014 #187

i agree, there are some thin skinned ones on here JI7 Oct 2014 #195

GGreenwald and Andrew McCarthy.. two little vacuous peas in a pod.. Cha Oct 2014 #190

Quote w/link of GG claiming Khorsan was made up please. grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #196

Matthew Hale, CATO Institute, PayPal Pierre, Rand and Ron, now NRO . . . ucrdem Oct 2014 #200

Escuse me if I'm not falling all over myself ... 99th_Monkey Oct 2014 #204

Clickbait journalism. joshcryer Oct 2014 #207

Oh...I still have to give it the old college try. I suspect many on this board msanthrope Oct 2014 #210

I am glad you posted this Andy823 Oct 2014 #211

Why bother? It's a humongous waste of time. Major Hogwash Oct 2014 #212