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Thor_MN

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91. So you really can't vouch then?

Wed Oct 29, 2014, 09:57 AM

Oct 2014

I thought we had something going there.

If the individuals can't be identified, you do see that the weapons themselves can be readily identified? The best solution would be to remove them from people that can not handle them safely, but barring that we need to work towards reducing the sheer number of weapons?

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The difference between Guns and knives. And chainsaws. And baseball bats. [View all] Mister Nightowl Oct 2014 OP

+ 1000 !!! orpupilofnature57 Oct 2014 #1

Then... Mister Nightowl Oct 2014 #2

look again, and a plus 1000 is a rec, but who's counting ???? orpupilofnature57 Oct 2014 #3

Self defense firearms are made for saving lives. ileus Oct 2014 #4

Death for the sake of feeding the family is an acceptable purpose and sometimes necessary purpose. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #5

yep - one reason - killing DrDan Oct 2014 #6

K&R Principled Peter Oct 2014 #7

Yeah but... 99Forever Oct 2014 #8

Sorry, but that's s crock. The fallacies are so obvious, I won't bother to point them out. badtoworse Oct 2014 #9

The right to self-defense exists even if the NRA never existed. The 2 are wholly separate. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #10

How do "self-defense firearms" save lives, exactly? Orrex Oct 2014 #11

Nothing. GeorgeGist Oct 2014 #12

I've never hear of someone standing in their back yard being killed by ... Scuba Oct 2014 #13

Target shooting, trap and skeet, hunting and self defense are all legitimate uses of firearms badtoworse Oct 2014 #14

I'll accept that bvf Oct 2014 #15

Ebola! We have to ban sneezing! DetlefK Oct 2014 #16

Unfortunately, the wingnuts bleating about banning XYZ Bettie Oct 2014 #17

It's not the NRA that is the problem Sneak the freak Oct 2014 #18

I think the main differences are DISTANCE, both spatially and emotionally, and TARGET SIZE. WinkyDink Oct 2014 #19

The primary purpose of guns is penile enhancement. True Blue Door Oct 2014 #20

Self defense doesn't involve killing? mac56 Oct 2014 #21

There is no such animal as a "self-defense firearm." It is a firearm, period. WinkyDink Oct 2014 #22

This message was self-deleted by its author ncjustice80 Oct 2014 #23

Sometimes self-defense involves killing someone; other times, the firearm acts as a deterrent. badtoworse Oct 2014 #24

There's a good toon which explains this: LeftinOH Oct 2014 #25

That's a weak argument by equivocation Orrex Oct 2014 #26

False. GGJohn Oct 2014 #27

The same with any weapon. Half-Century Man Oct 2014 #28

While I agree with most of that, the last row doesn't work. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #29

Welcome to DU..... N_E_1 for Tennis Oct 2014 #30

That's a very interesting observation Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #31

My guns must be defective hack89 Oct 2014 #32

and that is just plain wrong Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #33

Actually, I gotta agree with the others here. Plenty of people still do. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #34

Try to educate yourself beyond your little bubble. Inkfreak Oct 2014 #35

Obviously safeinOhio Oct 2014 #36

All those involve killing, practice killing, or the threat of killing. MillennialDem Oct 2014 #37

Like my snowblower, then. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #38

The police in Utah swarmed a black man open carrying a Japanese styled sword Half-Century Man Oct 2014 #39

This message was self-deleted by its author ncjustice80 Oct 2014 #40

The vast majority of deaths by firearm are not justified though. Something like MillennialDem Oct 2014 #41

False. AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #42

You mean 200 per year, in the state of florida, right? AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #43

A hell of a lot of hunters aren't on food stamps, GGJohn Oct 2014 #44

Guns are not inanimate objects apparently hack89 Oct 2014 #45

What you described is technically a flail. A morning star is a spiked club or mace :p MillennialDem Oct 2014 #46

K & R Thespian2 Oct 2014 #47

I would say you are not a hunter badtoworse Oct 2014 #48

That last rifle is the most popular competive target shooting rifle in America. Nt hack89 Oct 2014 #49

Nope, but like my snowblower Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #50

Um... JUSTIFIABLE homicide by firearm, per year, for the whole US (see links) MillennialDem Oct 2014 #51

I've never found targets or clay pigeons to be much of a threat. badtoworse Oct 2014 #52

So perhaps we should make that illegal hack89 Oct 2014 #53

I don't know from technical, but what he described sounded like what Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #54

You've obviously never had to nail a nail in a hurry! rock Oct 2014 #55

Is it? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #56

Dictionary says MillennialDem Oct 2014 #57

So Thespian2 Oct 2014 #58

One could postulate that they act as pacifiers for the fearful and paranoid. Thor_MN Oct 2014 #59

In fact it is a .. gun. pangaia Oct 2014 #60

Those fall under practice killing. MillennialDem Oct 2014 #61

Perhaps hack89 Oct 2014 #62

Actually tens of thusands of people, pangaia Oct 2014 #63

Even if that is true -- so what? aikoaiko Oct 2014 #64

Even if I conceded your point (and I don't), what difference would it make? badtoworse Oct 2014 #65

Here's a quick lesson on the difference between guns and knives: thucythucy Oct 2014 #66

You would be very wrong. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #67

How many people use hand guns for trap and skeet, and hunting? Thor_MN Oct 2014 #68

In my case Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #69

The point of the OP (and me) is that guns are not tools. They are only weapons because their only MillennialDem Oct 2014 #70

Competitive target shooting. nt hack89 Oct 2014 #71

Guns are, first and foremost, weapons and a good weapon is effective at killing. badtoworse Oct 2014 #72

Are you going to vouch for every other gun owner? Thor_MN Oct 2014 #73

"Please provide hard statistics on the number of deaths resulting from one person using alcohol" Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #74

I can vouch for the vast majority of legal gun owners hack89 Oct 2014 #75

Want to meet my wife's family? joeglow3 Oct 2014 #76

I don't petition for things to be banned. That would be the responsibility of those who claim Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #77

Could you please identify all of them to the authorities? Thor_MN Oct 2014 #78

And that's their only function. MillennialDem Oct 2014 #79

Certainly we need laws like UBCS hack89 Oct 2014 #80

Why would I agree to that? Orrex Oct 2014 #81

I live in SW Ohio. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #82

See Post 72. I don't consider the fact that firearms are weapons to be important. badtoworse Oct 2014 #83

See Post 83 and have a nice day. badtoworse Oct 2014 #84

If guns are only designed to kill then my guns are defective Travis_0004 Oct 2014 #85

Wow.... N_E_1 for Tennis Oct 2014 #86

That merely makes you a pre-murderer hack89 Oct 2014 #87

Im glad you used the sarcasm tag Travis_0004 Oct 2014 #88

The families of people that are killed daily do consider it to be important. Thor_MN Oct 2014 #89

That's about as close to nonsensical as a claim can get Orrex Oct 2014 #90

So you really can't vouch then? Thor_MN Oct 2014 #91

Do you seriously believe that violent criminals practice shooting on the range? badtoworse Oct 2014 #92

Oh the extremes the butters will go to in order to deflect, flamin lib Oct 2014 #93

Read through the whole sub-thread. I was just pointing out vacuous blather for what it is. badtoworse Oct 2014 #94

With the recent meat labeling ruling sarisataka Oct 2014 #95

No, I can speak for myself, stop trying to put words in my mouth. Thor_MN Oct 2014 #96

You need to get out some. ileus Oct 2014 #97

There are some here that actually think that way. nt hack89 Oct 2014 #98

But doesn't the intent of the owner count for something? hack89 Oct 2014 #99

This isn't Australia. There are maybe a dozen states where more gun control has political support badtoworse Oct 2014 #100

We Need To Hammer This Point colsohlibgal Oct 2014 #101

Sure! It counts for the intent of the object's owner, but not for the object's intent by design. Orrex Oct 2014 #102

You declare it to be bogus but that doesn't make it so. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #103

Not everyone is pre-criminal hack89 Oct 2014 #104

So people's actions are irrelevant? hack89 Oct 2014 #105

So called bushmeat is likely as healthy or healthier than what people but at stories aikoaiko Oct 2014 #106

Some progressives would go so far as to call it "organic" ileus Oct 2014 #107

If used to protect or save the life of a family member or myself. ileus Oct 2014 #108

bushmeat LOL - have you ever even been in the woods? snooper2 Oct 2014 #109

I moved my snowblower from the outbuilding to the garage last weekend. ileus Oct 2014 #110

I am well aware of the proper name of a ball flail. Half-Century Man Oct 2014 #111

I just don't have a huge drive Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #112

That's not what I said at all. Orrex Oct 2014 #113

Firearms are regulated Lurks Often Oct 2014 #114

Many deer are killed safeinOhio Oct 2014 #115

The deep and abiding obsession with my linuxman Oct 2014 #116

You identify one big difference that should be noted LondonReign2 Oct 2014 #117

I hadn't considered shotgun slugs for big game, but they would not be my first choice badtoworse Oct 2014 #118

"We won't let kids under 21 vote or drink alcohol, but we are perfectly OK with them toting weapons" Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #119

Well, no. Orrex Oct 2014 #120

"attempt to stroll down the main street in your town...You won't make it two blocks." Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #121

Locking. It is the hosts consensus this does not meet the SOP for GD Autumn Oct 2014 #122