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DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
31. Step 1: Call liberals "rat fuckers." Step 3: profit?
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 02:10 PM
Nov 2014


Hooboy. Yes, there's a pattern all right.

The pattern is a flurry of threads on DU equating liberal voices, liberal candidates, and -- this is a new one -- any reporting of possible election fraud (???) with "killing morale" and inevitable loss.

And liberal use of the Nixonian term "rat fucking," which of course is a rightwing idea having to do with sabotage, illegal spying, and not in any way related to insufficiently conservative Democrats.

Pretty telling that Nixon and his tactics are so top-of-mind for some people, eh? Kind of like the thief that has 12 locks on his door, maybe?

This was of course the argument Hillary acolytes raised against the Obama candidacy.

"We can't elect that fluffy liberal because pragmatism, you are all full ponies and unicorns, and oh, by the way, your opinion is RATFUCKKKINNGGGG!"

How'd that logic work out, by the way?

This new addition that anyone watching for election fraud on the part of Republicans is also a traitor / spy / rat is very interesting, though, coming from supposed Democrats.

It's already specious to claim that liberal views or liberal candidates are morale killers plotted by enemies of the Democratic Party to ensure election losses, but throwing in hate for people watching for Republican election fraud, too?

That's a very curious addition to the whole rubric.

If someone DID want to conduct some "rat fucking," by demoralizing the Democratic Party, wouldn't trying to float that idea that anyone watching for Republican dirty tricks is a traitor be a more likely tactic than say, getting Obama nominated?


Anatomy of a Rat Fuck [View all] FSogol Nov 2014 OP
Yup. zappaman Nov 2014 #1
I believe just as important as these issues is how candidates turned on Obama. olegramps Nov 2014 #35
True. zappaman Nov 2014 #36
Excellently stated.... n/t humbled_opinion Nov 2014 #103
Best sign ever, from Milwaukee aggiesal Nov 2014 #209
see Repubican dirty tricks, or Carl Rove. Historic NY Nov 2014 #2
I would add: pass every convoluted voter ID law possible bhikkhu Nov 2014 #3
And make sure you throw around words like "authoritarian" and "propaganda" as much as you can... SidDithers Nov 2014 #4
I call it "Authoritarian Tourette's" zappaman Nov 2014 #34
LOL- so true. bettyellen Nov 2014 #88
Do you consider Chris Christie to be an authoritarian, Sid? Fumesucker Nov 2014 #47
+10 (nt) reACTIONary Nov 2014 #158
I.E. Some of us just talk a lot, fuck that, let your VOTE do your TALKING for you! GOTV GOTV randys1 Nov 2014 #5
On CNN, it is: interrupt any one daring to mention voter suppression efforts and lost registrations. Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #6
And then add #5 CakeGrrl Nov 2014 #7
Yes - Dem non-participation only supplements/enhances Repub participation. n/t Beartracks Nov 2014 #66
Likely talking points concocted by Frank Luntz to suppress the Democratic vote. nt Ykcutnek Nov 2014 #8
And disseminated here with Rove/Koch $$$ by fake progressives emulatorloo Nov 2014 #12
1. is pretty rare MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #9
I am curious, who do you want to occupy the WH if you had your choice 2016? randys1 Nov 2014 #11
Have you seen my sig? MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #15
OK, good....What about Bernie? And if neither are the nominee, will you work tirelessly to get randys1 Nov 2014 #16
Nice threadjack attempt. n/t hootinholler Nov 2014 #18
Me? NOt at all, I love this thread, I spend just about all day working to make sure we are all randys1 Nov 2014 #19
That happened upthread. Don't blame a poster for defending the premise of the OP. nt MADem Nov 2014 #51
I wasn't reacting to that hootinholler Nov 2014 #55
Amen Aerows Nov 2014 #56
Go back to the post that started the thread, keeping in mind that this IS election season. nt MADem Nov 2014 #70
It is easy to do today, to be distracted, I have been on two non election threads myself randys1 Nov 2014 #22
My God Aerows Nov 2014 #53
Exactly what I was doing, and have been doing here all day, trying to get people to focus randys1 Nov 2014 #58
You are the one bringing up 2016. Aerows Nov 2014 #61
I said I was wrong, I posted 35 times today and mentioned 2016 once, one too many times randys1 Nov 2014 #62
Sorry, too Aerows Nov 2014 #64
It's after 12 o'clock. It's okay to talk about 2016 now. Major Hogwash Nov 2014 #95
Ayup alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #10
You nailed it. And it happens every time emulatorloo Nov 2014 #13
I'm sure millions of DU'ers are sitting out this election because of those "unwritten messages". Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2014 #14
As others have pointed out ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #24
I've been inundated by far, far, more messages urging me to vote than any urging me not to. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2014 #26
1SBM... Scootaloo Nov 2014 #40
A couple of months ago ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #45
Rush Limbaugh even mentions DU once in awhile on his radio program. Major Hogwash Nov 2014 #98
I was just thinking ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #100
Not only did they pat Putin on the back, they said he dinn't blow that plane up at the same time! Major Hogwash Nov 2014 #120
I SERIOUSLY doubt it. Of course I know youre being sarcastic. 7962 Nov 2014 #72
I don't think that Rat Fuck means what you seem to think it means hootinholler Nov 2014 #17
No it was meant in the "DU" sense: an attack on the "left wing" here, Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #184
Already early voted.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2014 #20
Yes, smug and superior Oilwellian Nov 2014 #27
Only if you LIKE to have your hair on fire. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2014 #38
4. b Talk either about how you are losing or anything else that is NOT about the election randys1 Nov 2014 #21
You forgot #5. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #23
Alternate #5 brooklynite Nov 2014 #28
I wasn't referring to machines - I was talking about vote suppression. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #30
recently w virgnia elected a dem ag questionseverything Nov 2014 #149
Vote! and vote often. WHEN CRABS ROAR Nov 2014 #25
I prefer Snagglepuss's description. longship Nov 2014 #29
Step 1: Call liberals "rat fuckers." Step 3: profit? DirkGently Nov 2014 #31
+1000! n/t markpkessinger Nov 2014 #52
+1,000 LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #57
thread winner. you get a rainbow! nashville_brook Nov 2014 #69
+1 beerandjesus Nov 2014 #89
Curious, indeed. WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2014 #123
+1, so sick of it. Marr Nov 2014 #171
Thank you Dirk. sibelian Nov 2014 #238
I take a look at HuffPo these days... liberalmuse Nov 2014 #32
What do you call it when you elect them and THEY fuck you? That seems like the REAL Ratfuck. n/t jtuck004 Nov 2014 #33
that's called "pragmatism", and you're supposed to realize "It's the best we can do" Doctor_J Nov 2014 #37
Hmmm. I think I shall henceforth think of that situation as a "ponyride". jtuck004 Nov 2014 #74
This ^^^^^ Phlem Nov 2014 #59
"I voted for Obama- TWICE! But I'm so disappointed..." LadyHawkAZ Nov 2014 #39
Holy crap Bobbie Jo Nov 2014 #78
^This ought to be framed and mounted on DU home page. LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #106
I wish I could rec a reply wryter2000 Nov 2014 #110
^^^perfect^^^ Phlem Nov 2014 #225
"I've been registered Democrat since the age of three" Jamaal510 Nov 2014 #235
Isn't there a lot of #3 coming from the DCCC and DNC themselves? tkmorris Nov 2014 #41
There's some "strategists" attempting to cover their asses jeff47 Nov 2014 #50
I agree mostly, but I think we're having two different conversations tkmorris Nov 2014 #65
And how is a reader supposed to tell the difference? jeff47 Nov 2014 #67
You sound like you're itching for a fight tkmorris Nov 2014 #115
Don't confuse REAL complaints with anti-GOTV tactics. Daemonaquila Nov 2014 #42
And the time to fix those problems was back in the spring jeff47 Nov 2014 #49
Yep, problems with Democratic candidates seem to get much more attention after they have won the Chathamization Nov 2014 #168
Letting More Rapeuglicans Win Just Forces the Democrats to Capitulate Even More AndyTiedye Nov 2014 #151
Then you may as well vote rock Nov 2014 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author Ed Suspicious Nov 2014 #44
That's it in a nutshell. BumRushDaShow Nov 2014 #46
Papa Paul and Comrade Snowald are counting on you not voting! Cryptoad Nov 2014 #48
Get out the vote. Aerows Nov 2014 #54
All the liberal critics I know ARE getting out the vote. DirkGently Nov 2014 #80
+ a gazillion. nt Mojorabbit Nov 2014 #174
That does seem to be how it works. gordianot Nov 2014 #60
Even if machines were rigged.... Beartracks Nov 2014 #63
I encourage everyone to vote whatchamacallit Nov 2014 #68
This is quite possibly the most disingenuous OP I've ever seen on DU. beerandjesus Nov 2014 #71
Perspective: The polls open here in about 14 hours. What possible good can FSogol Nov 2014 #73
Hey, don't interfere with their persecution complex LordGlenconner Nov 2014 #113
"repeat of 2010 where the left were encouraged to sit it out to show displease to the administration yodermon Nov 2014 #169
But it's hippie punching cleverly MASKED with concern trolling! DirkGently Nov 2014 #75
Wow! Just Wow! Alerting chknltl Nov 2014 #76
Sorry, I get sick of Democrats pretending other Democrats are depressing the vote... beerandjesus Nov 2014 #77
Yeah Bobbie Jo Nov 2014 #79
Republicans hate America, not Democrats. beerandjesus Nov 2014 #82
+100000000 Phlem Nov 2014 #83
But liberals aren't DOING IT RIGHT! DirkGently Nov 2014 #87
You are right Andy823 Nov 2014 #210
Nowhere in OP is it suggested Dems are pretending other Dems supressing vote chknltl Nov 2014 #94
Doesn't seem to me you read the OP. beerandjesus Nov 2014 #96
"Ratfucking" = sabotage by political operatives, and OP follows that definition emulatorloo Nov 2014 #99
Read it again just now. chknltl Nov 2014 #109
I wasn't going to respond to you again, but since you seem sincere, and even nice... beerandjesus Nov 2014 #140
Now that's a horse of a different color. Thank you for that response. chknltl Nov 2014 #166
Glad to see we're on the same side after all! beerandjesus Nov 2014 #186
Results Quackers Nov 2014 #197
Thanks for sharing. beerandjesus Nov 2014 #198
lol Bobbie Jo Nov 2014 #199
You realize you can wait until Wednesday and avoid hurting candidate chances, right? nt stevenleser Nov 2014 #81
I haven't even said anything lately. beerandjesus Nov 2014 #85
The "You" is a general "You" for folks that are doing this. And yes, it is also DU posts that hurt stevenleser Nov 2014 #86
Calling Dems you disagree with "ratfuckers" is a bit more divisive DirkGently Nov 2014 #91
Call it what it is, conservative dems blaming moderates and liberals Rex Nov 2014 #105
Conservatives believe in pretense. Liberals screw that up constantly. DirkGently Nov 2014 #108
Hard to ignore the CIA spying on Congress, but yeah a special type not only does Rex Nov 2014 #114
You had no idea Caretha Nov 2014 #230
Haha, yeah! Sorry about that, everyone. beerandjesus Nov 2014 #233
There it is again. Phlem Nov 2014 #90
That's right. In the two months before the election, it has NOTHING to do with policy. stevenleser Nov 2014 #92
So blame the voter? Phlem Nov 2014 #104
Me and my 700 posts, you know....! beerandjesus Nov 2014 #93
But there are some that will claim ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #124
You have to understand one thing, conservative dems vote the LEAST Rex Nov 2014 #102
Board of Elections data will be interesting... WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2014 #122
No.. actually I'm going to throw your words right right at you.. "Fucking pathetic. Shame on you." Cha Nov 2014 #126
That's cute. But thanks for substantiating my point... beerandjesus Nov 2014 #135
You have no point.. all you have is this.. "Fucking pathetic. Shame on you." Cha Nov 2014 #136
I have a point, but you have to read my reply to the OP. beerandjesus Nov 2014 #137
Did somebody say hippie punching? IronLionZion Nov 2014 #179
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2014 #84
Kick and recommended. Great thread. Major Hogwash Nov 2014 #97
It is funny talking about authoritarians in general and then some "DUer" shows up outraged Rex Nov 2014 #101
Fucking Amen! Phlem Nov 2014 #107
Excellent point. I don't think too many on the" left "are fratboys or sororities sisters either. adirondacker Nov 2014 #117
If the god damned mainstream media wasn't telling everyone that Obama sucks, and not to bother . . Major Hogwash Nov 2014 #134
I guess it helps that I haven't had cable TV in years and years. Rex Nov 2014 #138
I'm not talking about cable tv! All 3 of the corporate networks are ratfucking the Democrats!!! Major Hogwash Nov 2014 #178
I don't know how you can watch all that crap, it would make my blood pressure spike. Rex Nov 2014 #202
You'll get single payer if you don't vote IronLionZion Nov 2014 #111
Those things won't happen no matter how many people vote Doctor_J Nov 2014 #131
That's the spirit! IronLionZion Nov 2014 #150
+1 Jamaal510 Nov 2014 #236
And if you're an aging academic/activist desperate to be 28 again LordGlenconner Nov 2014 #112
Or depending on how you look at it Puglover Nov 2014 #121
+1 QC Nov 2014 #182
Amen treestar Nov 2014 #116
Yes, and this thread is condemning it as "may be ratfucking too".. Cha Nov 2014 #164
you forget the repeat ad nauseam of obama's 'bad' poll numbers. pansypoo53219 Nov 2014 #118
Acute observation! Thanks for postingFSogol Dont call me Shirley Nov 2014 #119
Like freaking Clockwork! Tavis Smiley was out ratfucking in an ABC interview.. Cha Nov 2014 #125
Well, fortunately, his audience is a bunch of sour grapes jerks that think he is holier than Obama. Major Hogwash Nov 2014 #139
Yes, Tavis Smiley does have his fans who are all as sour graped as he is and believe the nonsense he Cha Nov 2014 #141
This OP is definitely two days too early. sadoldgirl Nov 2014 #127
Completely wrong. I expect to keep the Senate, increase our numbers in the House, and win FSogol Nov 2014 #129
"Ratfucking" is still "Ratfucking" no matter when it's mentioned. Cha Nov 2014 #133
that's right: 1. it's doing pre-blaming, 2. it's also pre-credit-taking (if the election goes well, MisterP Nov 2014 #163
Um, no. blackspade Nov 2014 #128
Good analysis. We can't afford to be fooled again. And again. And again. Since Nixon... freshwest Nov 2014 #130
If it weren't for your reminders I might have wasted time and voted! DeSwiss Nov 2014 #132
"So there's an Election tomorrow".. "Both Parties Are the Same".. Cha Nov 2014 #142
+1 n/t FSogol Nov 2014 #143
Love your OP.. FSogol.. Mahalo! Cha Nov 2014 #145
Thanks. Good luck at your polls tomorrow. n/t FSogol Nov 2014 #146
Thank you.. Same to you in Cha Nov 2014 #147
Yes and even if they thought so they could vote Green or the like treestar Nov 2014 #185
Bullshit. Nothing but an attempt to stiffle dissent and defer blame. The OP has recorded 5000 whereisjustice Nov 2014 #144
Your post is unhelpful... humbled_opinion Nov 2014 #148
So you think calling dissenters "rat fuckers" is a way to get out the vote? Sure, sure. just like whereisjustice Nov 2014 #152
This message was self-deleted by its author Phlem Nov 2014 #156
Furthermore, it is EXACTLY your, "if you can't beat them, join them" attitude that is turning whereisjustice Nov 2014 #154
NS! Phlem Nov 2014 #161
Purists will lose, I say it is better to win humbled_opinion Nov 2014 #165
fuck that lazy ass purity bullshit, it's a way to prevent change and defend whereisjustice Nov 2014 #187
You lost your mind, your rants are no longer humbled_opinion Nov 2014 #193
The unnecessary, gleeful frogmarch to the right is the problem AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #214
It's glaringly obvious. Phlem Nov 2014 #220
Fuck calling the people with actual principles 'purists' LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #215
It's the new black, Phlem Nov 2014 #221
Yep, sure is. Incredible, actually. They should go to GOP whereisjustice Nov 2014 #227
Check it. Phlem Nov 2014 #228
Damn it. Very sorry. Don't want to drag you into this, but thanks for supporting my point... whereisjustice Nov 2014 #231
Hey. No worries bud. Phlem Nov 2014 #232
First of all it's the truth and Phlem Nov 2014 #155
"the typical liberal progressive message doesn't sell very well" Phlem Nov 2014 #157
Your inability to understand humbled_opinion Nov 2014 #167
I understand perfectly unfortunatley Phlem Nov 2014 #204
Oh, are you touchy.. no need to be if you're not a "ratfucker".. Cha Nov 2014 #162
By your standards, racial slurs aren't a problem as long as you don't appear too racial. And whereisjustice Nov 2014 #188
Which Democratic candidates were humbled_opinion Nov 2014 #194
+1 Marr Nov 2014 #173
Nobody called you fucking retarded!! Major Hogwash Nov 2014 #176
here you go, calling liberals "fucking retarded" was part of Rahm's GOTV campaign of 2010 whereisjustice Nov 2014 #189
No but you are humbled_opinion Nov 2014 #195
+ a billion Number23 Nov 2014 #217
Dude. You were banned for 3rd party advocacy when you posted as scentopine... SidDithers Nov 2014 #191
And there you have it. nt stevenleser Nov 2014 #205
And once again, Sid dons his TrollBuster cape and saves the day. Number23 Nov 2014 #218
and they claim to be about principles, conscience, and taking any other moral high JI7 Nov 2014 #219
Stop harrassing me. Stop personal attacks against me. Your emotional outbursts disturbing. whereisjustice Nov 2014 #229
Oh heck yes. The LULZ just keep on coming too. ucrdem Nov 2014 #153
And it's well underway on DU. baldguy Nov 2014 #159
You might say It's Official ucrdem Nov 2014 #160
Your post is an example of blaming liberals for losses. Marr Nov 2014 #170
They aren't liberals. Major Hogwash Nov 2014 #175
And your post ... NanceGreggs Nov 2014 #177
But the people doing it are NOT liberals. Or even Democrats. NYC Liberal Nov 2014 #203
agreed. Phlem Nov 2014 #206
Makes total sense. applegrove Nov 2014 #172
I know how to fix this! djean111 Nov 2014 #180
Wait, don't forget OFA interns... it's what they live for whereisjustice Nov 2014 #190
yes, bringing up issues equates to ratfucking now. Phlem Nov 2014 #207
Bills Filibustered in the Senate by the GOP. sammy750 Nov 2014 #181
You left out the true ratfuckers. Those who invest & support Wall St. raouldukelives Nov 2014 #183
wait - they said it was Glenn Greenwald's fault, you mean it isn't? whereisjustice Nov 2014 #192
This is so spot on but unfortunately they don't get this. Phlem Nov 2014 #208
DU rec... SidDithers Nov 2014 #196
How many Democratic votes left your house Sid? SomethingFishy Nov 2014 #211
Did you just call fellow Dems concerned about voting machine procedures Rat Fucks? philly_bob Nov 2014 #200
Kick nt stevenleser Nov 2014 #201
You've raised the bar on irony by a full foot. nt MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #223
giggles :) :) :) :) :) :) Perfect. Phlem Nov 2014 #226
Nothing like an election day circular firing squad OP AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #212
Yup. Jamastiene Nov 2014 #224
that's nothing but nonsense stupidicus Nov 2014 #213
Sorry I missed this but K&R now Number23 Nov 2014 #216
This OP is nothing but a giant Strawman aimed at disparaging the Left at election time. rhett o rick Nov 2014 #222
How did I miss this thread?! eom Jamaal510 Nov 2014 #234
They have made their contempt for the Democratic Party clear for well over a year now BainsBane Nov 2014 #237
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